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Old July 2nd, 2008, 12:22 PM   #961
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I don't get it, this tunnel. Do you have any maps of the newly built part? Where does this "exit" lead to, and why is it still closed? And how does it look like now when you get from Kranj? Where does this old tunnel exit? Not anymore at that traffic light?
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 01:43 PM   #962
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The new tunnel is in northwestern Ljubljana, where you see the word ŠENTVID:



The old tunnel(s) are still there. They were officially never considered motorway, b/c they are too narrow and were always meant for their eventual purpose - only interchange with the Celovška cesta (Klagenfurt Road). The new tunnel (which here actually starts as the old gallery (not in use before) between the galleries you always drove through) now goes under the Celovška Road (G8). I'll again post this photo:





So now you drive in the middle for transit and through the outside tunnels (galleries) only if you wanna exit/enter the motorway to/from Celovška Road.

Exiting/entering motorway for Celovška from/in the other direction isn't yet possible, b/c they decided to build the interchange(s) later. They will supposedly be built/bored/opened next year.

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http://www.avtoceste.si/img/SentvidKoseze1.jpg

http://www.avtoceste.si/img/PredorSentvidSituacija.jpg

If it still isn't clear, ask.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:24 PM   #963
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Ok, I get it now. So the motorway (coming from North) goes now where those tennis courts are and it sinks into the ground there (Does it? It sinks before Celovška c.?). So it wasn't too narrow for a motorway in there? And btw. why is this old tunnel there? Why the need for a tunnel (gallery)? Because of the railway?
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:28 PM   #964
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Btw. on this picture there are two connections from Celovška to the motorway going south (two tubes), and on the second plan there is only one, the shorter one. Why?
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:37 PM   #965
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^ Now it should be wide enough, and yes it sinks under Celovška. You're right, they were built b/c of the Ljubljana-Kranj-Villach railway, and not only railway is at the top of the galleries, but a railway station (Lj.-Vižmarje) with 9 or so rails. There's also a building there. It's visible in Google Earth.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:42 PM   #966
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Btw. on this picture there are two connections from Celovška to the motorway going south (two tubes), and on the second plan there is only one, the shorter one. Why?
I think it says "Alternative", or what's that? There's gonna be just one connection in each direction.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:52 PM   #967
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I think it says "Alternative", or what's that? There's gonna be just one connection in each direction.
Yeah, it says alternative. Obviously they did it that way, after all. Very interesting, and a complicated exit... Although looking at GE some other ways of connecting A2 northbound to the Lj-Ring look much easier to build, is there a specific reason why it needed to be this way...?
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:50 PM   #968
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Read from here to the 514th post.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:01 PM   #969
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[QUOTE=Verso;22184432]The new tunnel is in northwestern Ljubljana, where you see the word ŠENTVID:



Verso, what map is this? I like the layout.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:35 PM   #970
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^ For these maps read here.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 08:04 PM   #971
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I don't get it, this tunnel. Do you have any maps of the newly built part? Where does this "exit" lead to, and why is it still closed? And how does it look like now when you get from Kranj? Where does this old tunnel exit? Not anymore at that traffic light?
This is how the new tunnel looks like, if you come from Kranj and Beljak/Villach. The "old road" goes to the right, and it functions as a normal exit. If you take this exit, you come to the famous Celovška traffic lights, and you have to drive through the city.

But you dont wanna drive through the city . So, you stay on the motorway, and enter the tunnel (actually a gallery) ahead. The tunnel begins about 400m later. You actually drive under the railway, some buildings, and also Celovška cesta, as Verso said.



And this is the famous sign that tells you that a vinjeta/vignette is obligatory. Well, it doesnt actually say that, but that is what it means. If I saw this sign for the first time, and in a foreign language, I wouldnt know that a vingette is neccessary.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 11:07 PM   #972
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Read from here to the 514th post.
Yeah, but it doesn't really explain...

Thanks Vremenko for the pictures, now everything is clear!

As for the vignette sign - too small.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 11:29 PM   #973
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Yeah, but it doesn't really explain...
How not?
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Some sort of yellow variant was already proposed in seventies, but it was not selected because Yugoslav army had barracks there and there also is one of main water supplies for Ljubljana.
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Old July 3rd, 2008, 12:05 AM   #974
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Yeah, but that was in the 70's... No present explanations...
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Old July 3rd, 2008, 12:16 AM   #975
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^ The main water supply for Ljubljana is still there (Kleče).
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Old July 3rd, 2008, 05:06 AM   #976
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And this is the famous sign that tells you that a vinjeta/vignette is obligatory. Well, it doesnt actually say that, but that is what it means. If I saw this sign for the first time, and in a foreign language, I wouldnt know that a vingette is neccessary.

I would put the image of that sticker inside of a blue disk if its use is mandatory, with the weight class info below.

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Old July 4th, 2008, 11:46 PM   #977
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^ Absolutely. Btw, I've already driven through the new tunnel and was hoping nothing would fall on me. I've also noticed that vignette is obligatory even on the G104 expressway, even though it's not in the authority of Dars.
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Old July 4th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #978
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Old July 5th, 2008, 01:53 AM   #979
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^ Hehe, well, it's good to have it.
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