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Old July 28th, 2008, 11:01 AM   #1081
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Thanks about interchanges; you have to admit half-cloverleaves aren't that common.
Nope. it is a very common type: parclo IC (PARtial CLOverleaf)
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Old July 28th, 2008, 12:46 PM   #1082
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of course it is
Kranj zahod, Vransko, Vučja vas, Beltinci, Vodice, Krtina, Lukovica, Ljubljana Brod, Postojna just to mention few, are all partial cloverleaves

now, partial cloverleaf is very common type, since new highways have no toll stations at exits and there is no need to build a trumpet (trumpets require just one toll station)

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Old July 28th, 2008, 02:31 PM   #1083
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yeah, the trumpet IC is very common on motorways where you pay the toll at toll boots... (and not by vignette)

advantage: all four ramps are concentrated in a single strech, so the toll booths can be placed here...

but what about the disadvantages??

- a trumpet IC recquires a separate over/underpass, which could be spared with parclo IC. (at least when the road - what the IC connect to the mway - crosses the motorway. when it is paralell to the mway the trumpet is ok.)

- building a parclo recquires 2 booths but no extra over/underpass...

taking into account the advantages and disadvantages the 2 booths seems far cheaper to me than an extra over/underpass...

the trumpet option can be cheaper only when they apply only one person in the booth, so they can save significant money (salary) over a longer period...


the most complicated mway-to-road IC I've ever seen is the bisco IC on the A1, Croatia.
it is literally on the top of a local crossroad:

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Old July 28th, 2008, 03:19 PM   #1084
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the 2nd halfprofile recquires new viaducts and tunnel.

why do the old ones need widening?
to build emergency lane?

on viaducts and tunnels it is optional...
Old viaducts are quite old (30-35 years) and need complete overhaul (they are too narrow for current design rules also). So making them wider wouldn't add much to the cost. Same is true for that short tunnel. It was made for main road with no security features and is pretty narrow even for 2 motorway lanes without emergency lane.

Better full solution which lasts for decades than small scale adaptation which lasts for years only.

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Old July 28th, 2008, 05:17 PM   #1085
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Nope. it is a very common type: parclo IC (PARtial CLOverleaf)
I was having in mind the one in the middle of the picture, not the one southeast of it. Whatever it's called, I think it's the only one in Slovenia looking like that.
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Old July 28th, 2008, 05:18 PM   #1086
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yeah, the trumpet IC is very common on motorways where you pay the toll at toll boots... (and not by vignette)

advantage: all four ramps are concentrated in a single strech, so the toll booths can be placed here...

but what about the disadvantages??

- a trumpet IC recquires a separate over/underpass, which could be spared with parclo IC. (at least when the road - what the IC connect to the mway - crosses the motorway. when it is paralell to the mway the trumpet is ok.)

- building a parclo recquires 2 booths but no extra over/underpass...

taking into account the advantages and disadvantages the 2 booths seems far cheaper to me than an extra over/underpass...

the trumpet option can be cheaper only when they apply only one person in the booth, so they can save significant money (salary) over a longer period...


the most complicated mway-to-road IC I've ever seen is the bisco IC on the A1, Croatia.
it is literally on the top of a local crossroad:
I think that this photo in PS build was
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Old July 28th, 2008, 05:48 PM   #1087
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I think that this photo in PS build was
true, those local roads are mostly photoshoped
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Old July 28th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #1088
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I was having in mind the one in the middle of the picture, not the one southeast of it. Whatever it's called, I think it's the only one in Slovenia looking like that.
what about Vransko
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Old July 28th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #1089
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Damn, it looks the same.
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Old July 28th, 2008, 07:24 PM   #1090
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and believe it or not, there are more, Kranj zahod, Bič, Krtina, Lipce, Ljubljana Sneberje, Rogoza, Bertoki, Murska Sobota
what a highway freak are you

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Old July 28th, 2008, 09:02 PM   #1091
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wow. that was not an easy task to convince Verso, but you managed to do it...

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I think that this photo in PS build was
maybe... but if it is a rendering it is extremly photo-realistic...
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wow. that was not an easy task to convince Verso, but you managed to do it...
really, do you think so?
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Old July 28th, 2008, 11:29 PM   #1094
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and believe it or not, there are more, Kranj zahod, Bič, Krtina, Lipce, Ljubljana Sneberje, Rogoza, Bertoki, Murska Sobota


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2or...eature=related


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Old July 28th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #1095
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video is no longer available, smartass
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edited :P
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Old July 31st, 2008, 11:37 PM   #1097
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Another 5 km of new motorway opened. Between Vrba and Radovljica; better said, now you can drive on motorway 5 km more from the Karavanke Tunnel. Nothing in the media, it's what people are saying. Damn, considering how short sections we open, I wonder how we can have so many motorways. 437 km as of right now.
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Another 5 km of new motorway opened. Between Vrba and Radovljica; better said, now you can drive on motorway 5 km more from the Karavanke Tunnel. Nothing in the media, it's what people are saying. Damn, considering how short sections we open, I wonder how we can have so many motorways. 437 km as of right now.
437km that's awesome for Slovenia.
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^ That's only motorways; there's also 47 km of 4-lane expressways. We're approaching 500 km.
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verso, don't be misleading, it is not officially open, currently there is only a "deviation of traffic" on this section (5km); the whole section (Vrba-Peračica) is still planned to be open in november (or september)
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