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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:03 PM   #1261
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they pay distance-based tolls not vignettes...
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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:06 PM   #1262
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Will there eventually be a vignette for trucks and buses?
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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #1263
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Will there eventually be a vignette for trucks and buses?
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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:49 PM   #1264
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There was some 2-km traffic jam of trucks by this toll station yesterday. Luckily they didn't occupy the overtaking lane. There was also a jam at the end of the motorway before the Pesnica roundabout north of Maribor, b/c everyone exits there. In all 5-10 min of waiting I saw just one vehicle (car) continuing for Graz, which is quite logical (the car had Vienna license plates). I think going from Graz to Budapest is now faster through Slovenia.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #1265
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Coz they can take more money with tolls from trucks and buses and with vignette from cars.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #1266
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well, SLO tolls for lorries are not very high.

btw, how come that place is called Vučja Vas, and not Volčja?
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Old November 4th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #1267
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maybe but still they can earn more than with vignette
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Old November 4th, 2008, 06:22 PM   #1268
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i doubt, lorries allways buy short period vignettes. i know that lorries from firm where i work for H allways buy 1 or 2 days vignette. same is with most of the lorries (except home native ones)
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Old November 4th, 2008, 06:47 PM   #1269
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Coz they can take more money with tolls from trucks and buses and with vignette from cars.
A truck, going from H-border to I-border, pays 55,5 € in tolls, roundtrip costs 111 €. You get much more money from trucks with classical tolling.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #1270
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well, SLO tolls for lorries are not very high.

btw, how come that place is called Vučja Vas, and not Volčja?
No idea. There are also Croatian-sounding Gradac and Donačka gora, for example.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #1271
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No idea. There are also Croatian-sounding Gradac and Donačka gora, for example.
Donačka gora has nothing to do with Croatia and it also doesnt't sound like a croatian word!
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Old November 4th, 2008, 09:46 PM   #1272
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I didn't say it had anything to do with Croatia, but that "č" surely sounds Croatian, wouldn't Donaška gora sound really Slovenian? Like we don't say leskovačke, but leskovške specialitete.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 11:21 PM   #1273
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In the Slovenian subforum someone just brought up otherwise not new plans for the northern Maribor bypass (a 4-lane road probably), which includes an underground roundabout (podzemno krožišče), like on the Faroe Islands, if you guys remember:


From http://www.sft.fo/



When this gets built, it will surely become the most spectacular part of the Slovenian road network.

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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:19 AM   #1274
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btw, how come that place is called Vučja Vas, and not Volčja?
It is a dialectal pronunciation. The “ol” in Volčja is in standard Slovene pronounced as [ou], but there are dialects (like the dialects of Panonian dialect group) where it is pronounced as [u].
Writing of “ol” shows that (original) syllabic [l] developed like this: [ l > ol > ou (> u) ].

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I didn't say it had anything to do with Croatia, but that "č" surely sounds Croatian, wouldn't Donaška gora sound really Slovenian? Like we don't say leskovačke, but leskovške specialitete.
The name Donačka (gora) comes from the name Donat and would in Croatian (Štokavian) be formed in the same way as Hrvat -> Hrvatska; so it would be Donat -> Donatska.
In Slovene it would be Hrvat -> Hrvaška, but akrobat -> akrobatska.
Donačka is just dialectal Slovene (compare to Slovene kmet -> kmečki, not kmetski).

Leskovke and leskovške is a different case because the word from which they derive is Leskovac. In this case the sound [a] in “-ac” comes from sound [ь] (called jer and pronunced like ə (schwa); the character looks similar to “b” <-> “ь” but has no connection with it).
In Croatian (Štokavian) the sound universally developed into [a] (ь > a).
In Slovene it mostly stays the same ь (ə), but under special conditions it develops into [a] (like in the word dan). In some Slovene dialects [ь] develops to [e] instead of staying [ə] and both sounds [ə] and [e] are written as “e”.
That’s why in Croatian (Štokavian) it is “Slovenac” but in Slovene it is “Slovenec”.

Sorry it is a bit OT, but I hope I cleared up a bit.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 08:40 AM   #1275
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It is a dialectal pronunciation. The “ol” in Volčja is in standard Slovene pronounced as [ou], but there are dialects (like the dialects of Panonian dialect group) where it is pronounced as [u].
Writing of “ol” shows that (original) syllabic [l] developed like this: [ l > ol > ou (> u) ].





The name Donačka (gora) comes from the name Donat and would in Croatian (Štokavian) be formed in the same way as Hrvat -> Hrvatska; so it would be Donat -> Donatska.
In Slovene it would be Hrvat -> Hrvaška, but akrobat -> akrobatska.
Donačka is just dialectal Slovene (compare to Slovene kmet -> kmečki, not kmetski).

Sorry it is a bit OT, but I hope I cleared up a bit.
Yes I didn't know how to explain this in english...
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Old November 5th, 2008, 01:10 PM   #1276
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Thanks for clearing that up, bojc.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:22 PM   #1277
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A5 from Murska Sobota to Hungary:
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM   #1278
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Told you Verso, that it's the H7 to Hungarian border!
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #1279
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^ Yeah, I know. Actually it ends some 0.5 km before the border, in a roundabout.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #1280
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Actually it ends some 0.5 km before the border, in a roundabout.
I know that!
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