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Old November 30th, 2008, 02:35 AM   #1521
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well, slovenian drivers (similarly to all europian drivers) pay enough fuel tax and car related tax to finance these expenses...

50M eur is NOTHING... its a drop in the ocean...
This are long-term financial liabilities of our motorway company. If you take into account that reveneus from current toll system are more or less constant you can see that we need a new system to finance our debt.



You should also note that we already have the highest taxes in the world so there is not a lot of room there either.
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Old November 30th, 2008, 02:42 AM   #1522
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Radi has got a point, but it's not easy to avoid Slovenia on your way to the Croatian coast (if you're from the Benelux or Germany). There are two possibilities:
- Drive to Triest, enter Slovenia on secundary roads, drive through Slovenia avoiding A- and H-roads, and enter Croatia afterwards.
- Drive around Slovenia, through Hungary, and drive through Croatia afterwards, to the coast.
Why just don't use main roads (which bypass Maribor) from Austrian to Croatian border as distance is very short? Should be easy with a GPS. I saw many foreigners on local roads this summer.

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Old November 30th, 2008, 08:42 AM   #1523
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This are long-term financial liabilities of our motorway company. If you take into account that reveneus from current toll system are more or less constant you can see that we need a new system to finance our debt.
maybe your budget could help...
(why is it default to spend all the fuel tax and car related taxes to anything else?)

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You should also note that we already have the highest taxes in the world so there is not a lot of room there either.
I thought WE have the highest taxes in the world...

well, if you dont want to raise taxes, but need money than reduce the expenditures...
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Old November 30th, 2008, 08:49 AM   #1524
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Why just don't use main roads (which bypass Maribor) from Austrian to Croatian border as distance is very short? Should be easy with a GPS. I saw many foreigners on local roads this summer.
yeah, thats only 60km and 1h:10m...

btw: the Maribor bypass section of motorways isnt free?
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Old November 30th, 2008, 10:30 AM   #1525
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Yeah, I guess you can do that too. Slovenia isn't that big (see the border crossings thread video )
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Old November 30th, 2008, 01:41 PM   #1526
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btw: the Maribor bypass section of motorways isnt free?
Nope.
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Old November 30th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #1527
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Strange, motorway section which is a "bypass of a bigger city is free like M0 or in my parents case near Székesfehérvár(M7) in Hungary.
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Old November 30th, 2008, 02:18 PM   #1528
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Strange, motorway section which is a "bypass of a bigger city is free like M0 or in my parents case near Székesfehérvár(M7) in Hungary.
yeah, but it's not f***ing up neighbour's tourism
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Old November 30th, 2008, 02:39 PM   #1529
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Old November 30th, 2008, 03:00 PM   #1530
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I thought WE have the highest taxes in the world...
According to latest research by Forbes you come second.
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Old November 30th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #1531
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This are long-term financial liabilities of our motorway company. If you take into account that reveneus from current toll system are more or less constant you can see that we need a new system to finance our debt.



You should also note that we already have the highest taxes in the world so there is not a lot of room there either.
The problem is they recieve billions of euros from automobile-related taxes, however they don't take that into account for motorway construction/maintenance/operations, but for general tax income. Hence, they keep the expenses low for road construction, saying there isn't enough money. There is enough money. It's a matter of how you redistribute that money.
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@pijanec: Who comes first, the Netherlands?
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Do you think it is different in Denmark? A lot of taxes in a big bag and the money is never enough!!! for anything
In DK you have a registration tax on 180% when you buy a car. Thats why we drive in "cheap" japanese cars and the swedish friends with the big Audis and so...... laughing at us. LIFE IS A BITCH
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Old November 30th, 2008, 03:13 PM   #1534
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Why just don't use main roads (which bypass Maribor) from Austrian to Croatian border as distance is very short? Should be easy with a GPS. I saw many foreigners on local roads this summer.
That's sth I don't quite understand either. I bet it's even faster in summer, when the H2 is totally jammed (and you can bypass the Pesnica roundabout on a road west of it). If I go to Villach, I don't make a big deal at all about the fact that I need vignette in Austria. I know it's much cheaper, but I wouldn't buy it for Villach either, not to mention buying it, sticking it and especially peeling it off. To be frank, I wouldn't even use the Karavanke tunnel, I'd just go to Kranjska Gora and over Korensko sedlo (Wurzenpass). Big deal.
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Do you think it is different in Denmark? A lot of taxes in a big bag and the money is never enough!!! for anything
In DK you have a registration tax on 180% when you buy a car. Thats why we drive in "cheap" japanese cars and the swedish friends with the big Audis and so...... laughing at us. LIFE IS A BITCH
I know, it's 142% in the Netherlands. It only stops the poor from having decent mobility. The modal/average income people will pay the higher price anyway, so you're paying a high price for nothing. However, Scandinavian countries are known as tax states. I'm not sure if I like this kind of welfare state. I like to spend my money myself instead of let the government decide what to do with my money. Ofcourse, basic welfare issues should always be payed with tax money, but up to a certain level.
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The problem is they recieve billions of euros from automobile-related taxes, however they don't take that into account for motorway construction/maintenance/operations, but for general tax income. Hence, they keep the expenses low for road construction, saying there isn't enough money. There is enough money. It's a matter of how you redistribute that money.
Those money goes for reconstructrure of our main, regional and local roads which are in very bad condition, a lot of them don't even have an asphalt cover. Our non-motorway roads are probably one of the worsest in the region.
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@pijanec: Who comes first, the Netherlands?
I used graph from 2007 as they didn't do the same nice graph for this year. Data are actually the same.

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Those money goes for reconstructrure of our main, regional and local roads which are in very bad condition, a lot of them don't even have an asphalt cover. Our non-motorway roads are probably one of the worsest in the region.
I can't really agree with this. They are often winding and not particularly wide, but pavement is usually quite decent. And can you name me some main and regional roads without pavement? Even local roads are usually paved. I won't forget how winding the old road between Pula and Koper is. Now that was crap.
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I know, it's 142% in the Netherlands. It only stops the poor from having decent mobility. The modal/average income people will pay the higher price anyway, so you're paying a high price for nothing. However, Scandinavian countries are known as tax states. I'm not sure if I like this kind of welfare state. I like to spend my money myself instead of let the government decide what to do with my money. Ofcourse, basic welfare issues should always be payed with tax money, but up to a certain level.
I do not know Chris, but When I have to pay for a Toyota Avensis 1,8 Stationcar (combi) €48.933, something is wrong. PS:
Not even a new one.(4000Km)
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Old November 30th, 2008, 03:39 PM   #1540
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@Verso: I have local roads in mind when I said there is no pavement. But I would say that depends on the average development of the region. 1/3 of local roads in my municipality doesn't have pavement and it is even worser in neighbouring municipalities. It is not fun in the winter when people have to park their cars in the valley and walk for more than 2 kms to their houses. Third most important road in neighbour municipality got pavement only 14 days ago.

Pavement on our main/regional roads is not decent compared to other western countries or even Croatia. Pavements are usually uneven with a lot of damages. When you cross border with Austria it is like entering the heaven.

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