Mumbai Metro Updates

[MeMumbaikar]

its true.

the western burbs actually have some of the highest density in MMR

but the compensation mechanisms of MMDRA are horrible. I read they offered the reisdents of khar market value not in cash but some token paper thing saying builders in thane will honour that paper.


SV road is wide enough IMO for an overground metro. As will be the lanes in BKC.

[Bombay Boy]

not all of sv road is particularly wide

also of course you have the problem of a 'roller-coaster' metro. to go from elevated to u/g will eat up humongous space at the transition points

[Indiadreams]

That is a stupid suggetsion from JVPD association. They lost their credibility by being blatantly selfish. Hope they continue to fight for underground for the previously announced routes through Juhu and Linnking Road.

[Indiadreams]

Originally Posted by williemore

It is very strange that pple are more bothered above how their area will be looked at once the metro route is established... n are almost oblivious to the travel needs of an ordinary working class... most of these protesters are established TV personalities or may be big guys for whom metro changes nothing... but very strange to oppose than to encourage connectivity to their areas... of course privacy is an important factor and mistakes where stations are a couple of feet away from existing buildings should not be repeated again... now although underground is ideal... having a metro over ground is better than having nuthing at all... pple may just give up driving once the metro is established thereby reducing congestion, there is a chance... one can understand Andheri station is congested and can become a horrid experience for commuters once metro is realized... but if Juhu scheme is unfit for metro, then which damn street in Mumbai is fit?

It is not just road width, but the density too matters (to be precise percentage of road space to total area/population). The whole of western suburbs (western parts) is not only the densest part of Mumbai, but also has relatively lower proportion of slums (compared to elsewhere in Mumbai),jacking up the concrete and traffic density.

Btw, Juhu is bit expensive for most of the TV industry , It is more of Bollywood.TV industry is in Lokhandwala/Andheri W and north

[MeMumbaikar]

Originally Posted by Bombay Boy

not all of sv road is particularly wide

also of course you have the problem of a 'roller-coaster' metro. to go from elevated to u/g will eat up humongous space at the transition points

they can reclaim the buildings on either side to build a metro and widen the road.


There are a lot of encroachments.

[Bombay Boy]

the time and cost for that would make the u/g look way cheap. most of the structures have some legal sanctity. you can be in court for 20 years at least

[MeMumbaikar]

Originally Posted by Bombay Boy

the time and cost for that would make the u/g look way cheap. most of the structures have some legal sanctity. you can be in court for 20 years at least

surely you can afford to pay people off on the narrow stretches?

its hardly all of SV road.


there are not slums from my recollection on that road. So i think think many people in the encroaching structures.

50-100 crore should be enough to get rid of them and make it wide enough.

[raghussc]

Maybe they can raise/double/triple the property tax, sales tax etc., in Juhu area for like 10 yrs so that the metro can go underground in that area.

[Bombay Boy]

Originally Posted by MeMumbaikar

surely you can afford to pay people off on the narrow stretches?

its hardly all of SV road.


there are not slums from my recollection on that road. So i think think many people in the encroaching structures.

50-100 crore should be enough to get rid of them and make it wide enough.

if only things were so easy. the government finds it hard to give a few lacs to farmers and you think they will offer crores to flat-owners?

and it just takes 5% of the flat owners to say no to stall the entire project. its not one piece of land that needs to be bought. you need to deal with thousands of families and that can take ages

this is besides the whole point of the folly of having an elevated metro in dense areas. the long term social, economic and traffic problems are way more than any short-term benefit

the thinking is wrong if you think the elevated metro will serve the city for 5-10 years. once you make it you have to realise it will be there for 50-100 years at least with almost zero chance of undoing the damage by going u/g later

[MT84]

The Planning Commission on Thursday approved an annual plan of Rs 42,000 for Maharashtra with the state government urging the Centre to approval phase III of metro project for Mumbai. Maharashtra chief minister Prithviraj Chavan said the state was willing to provide viability gap funding of 20 % of
the project cost of phase-III, which is underground and asked the plan panel deputy chairperson Montek Singh Ahluwalia to speed up the approval process.

Mumbai metro is being constructed in a public private partnership mode and is designed to carry six lakh passengers every year. The two phases are under construction whereas the third is under the approval process..............................

Source: http://www.hindustantimes.com/Rs-42-...e1-699673.aspx

[Bombay2Calcutta]

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/...tro-route.html

No overhead wires on Charkop to Mankhurd Metro route

Alka Shukla

The Metro route from Charkop to Mankhurd via Bandra will not have a zig-zagging mass of overhead wires above the trains along the 32-km-long route. So because Reliance Infra, the firm leading the consortium that will build the line, will in the next three months carry out a feasibility test for a wireless Metro route.

Europe’s inter-country rail system, Eurostar, uses this system of power supply at certain stretches along the route.

This means that power to this route (Metro II) will be through a source that will run parallel along the tracks to supply power directly to trains.

The system involves usage of ‘rigid conductors’. The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority has asked the consortium to consider the option.

“Aesthetic value apart, it will be much safer considering that the line anyway runs at an elevation and quite close to residential complexes in certain areas,” a senior MMRDA official said on condition of anonymity.

Difficult choice?

Power supply system to Mumbai’s of trains is of two types ‘direct current’ and ‘alternate current’. In layman’s lingo, the alternate current system is considered a more energy-efficient medium than the direct current mode. Thus, the Metro II plan to use the direct current system is sparking off debate.

The city’s local train network is currently in the process of converting from a Direct Current to Alternate Current.

“Alternate current is considered more energy-efficient. Authorities concerned will have to consider this angle before zeroing in on a system,” said another official who asked not to be named as he is not authorised to speak to the media.

Sources close to Reliance Infra said a thorough trial of this system would be carried out at certain stretches along the route. “Of course, the cost factor will have to be looked at,” said the source. “Only if it is found to be feasible, it will be implemented.” Spokesperson of Reliance Infra declined to comment.

Different power trip

» The Metro II route (Charkop-Bandra-Mankhurd) will be an elevated line. It will be built at a cost of at least Rs 11,500 crore. The project is expected to be completed around 2015.

» Plans are afoot to power the route using ‘rigid conductors’. This means the route will have an energy source running parallel to the tracks, instead of overhead wires.

» This involves introducing the direct current power supply system which is not considered energy-efficient.

[strike2]

all they want to say they want to run it on 3rd line system
but wont it be difficult considering some of the stations might be interchange stations with other lines having overhead power system

[vsonline]

it would be difficult, costly and a bit inefficient but most importantly it will be safe. OHE cannot be so close to people's house. moreover its not normal 220 or 440 volts. its freaking 25000 volts thats used in railway electrification. so i would say they should go for 3rd rail even if it is costly and inefficient.

[vadditwice]

Originally Posted by strike2

all they want to say they want to run it on 3rd line system
but wont it be difficult considering some of the stations might be interchange stations with other lines having overhead power system

By, the time 3rd line comes up, youll be sure the first two are old enough to afford retrofitting..

[MeMumbaikar]

Originally Posted by Bombay Boy

if only things were so easy. the government finds it hard to give a few lacs to farmers and you think they will offer crores to flat-owners?

and it just takes 5% of the flat owners to say no to stall the entire project. its not one piece of land that needs to be bought. you need to deal with thousands of families and that can take ages

this is besides the whole point of the folly of having an elevated metro in dense areas. the long term social, economic and traffic problems are way more than any short-term benefit

the thinking is wrong if you think the elevated metro will serve the city for 5-10 years. once you make it you have to realise it will be there for 50-100 years at least with almost zero chance of undoing the damage by going u/g later

cant see any other route apart from SV road..... in the western burbs.



it would be perfect of have a metro along SV road.

[Kewl Batty]

Its not that difficult to have different power supply systems. Even here in amsterdam metro use 3rd rail in the city center and underground stations with overhead catenary in "locked down" position. A bit away from center, it switches to over head catenary.

[rohanfunjabi]

IS D CONSTRUCTION OF METRO LINE 2 STARTED and IF NOT WEN IT IS STARTING DEN

[vadditwice]

Is it possible in anyways to convert the suburban railway system into metro. I mean I know there would be huge organisational and logistical obstacles to overcome, but is it technically possible?
Primarily because once most of the metro stages are complete after say 15 years the railway system would definitely have become obsolete and wouldn't match up to the metro system. So if the metro ply on current suburban rail routes too that would make for an awesome transport system.

[Abhishek901]

Originally Posted by strike2

all they want to say they want to run it on 3rd line system
but wont it be difficult considering some of the stations might be interchange stations with other lines having overhead power system

Interchange stations still won't have shared tracks. An interchange station is not a single station with multiple platforms but a pair (or more) stations built together with no rail interconnectivity. Only passengers can transfer at interchange station, trains cannot. So there is no issue of different power system or different gauge etc.

[Bombay2Calcutta]

Originally Posted by vadditwice

Is it possible in anyways to convert the suburban railway system into metro. I mean I know there would be huge organisational and logistical obstacles to overcome, but is it technically possible?
Primarily because once most of the metro stages are complete after say 15 years the railway system would definitely have become obsolete and wouldn't match up to the metro system. So if the metro ply on current suburban rail routes too that would make for an awesome transport system.

I think it is possible , if they have dedicated tracks , instead of tracks shared by long distance trains. The ticketing system will also require a change.