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Old July 11th, 2007, 03:13 AM   #281
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Yes, and the highest point in denmark only being like 170 metres
not joking !!!!
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Old July 11th, 2007, 07:31 AM   #282
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Why use Los Angeles as a background for their renders?

Anyways maybe the fact that its surrounded by supertalls, blocking out some direct exposure to winds which would its structural soundness? Sorry just an assumption, Im no engineer.
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Old July 11th, 2007, 01:30 PM   #283
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Actually more towers means more, and much harder to predict during structural design, winds .
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Old July 26th, 2007, 09:10 AM   #284
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ًٌDubai architects are proving to me every day they don't know what they are doing!

they just going higher and higher with out any engineering input.
those funny cantilever floors on the top will make many problems for 520m building like : sway , wind loads, differential settlement, seismic , progressive collapse...
and it will need a massive thickness of the shear walls ( may be 2m thick !) so see how much area u will lose !

So Mr.Architect did u consider those things? or u just made an new looking building to impress the client and the investors?
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Old July 26th, 2007, 09:54 AM   #285
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Architects are Arteaaasts :P ROFL ! what do they know ...
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Old July 26th, 2007, 11:43 AM   #286
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ًٌDubai architects are proving to me every day they don't know what they are doing!

they just going higher and higher with out any engineering input.
those funny cantilever floors on the top will make many problems for 520m building like : sway , wind loads, differential settlement, seismic , progressive collapse...
and it will need a massive thickness of the shear walls ( may be 2m thick !) so see how much area u will lose !

So Mr.Architect did u consider those things? or u just made an new looking building to impress the client and the investors?

So you, the Mr. NOT-AN-ARCHITECT considered all those factors and the REAL-ARCHITECTS didn't?

For god sake, I hope you didn't really meant what you just wrotte ... and the Architects are British.
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Old July 26th, 2007, 12:59 PM   #287
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So you, the Mr. NOT-AN-ARCHITECT considered all those factors and the REAL-ARCHITECTS didn't?

For god sake, I hope you didn't really meant what you just wrotte ... and the Architects are British.
I don't mean to disrespect the architects and no one can do. I am talking about architects how are not consider the engineering issues for this much height.

Expert high rise architects like SOM, Foster all there HR project has engineering input

for example burj dubai has different levels and triangle base to reducing the wind loads on the building.

See Taipei 101, Petronas .. or any super tall has the same thing.

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Old July 26th, 2007, 01:05 PM   #288
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Yeah but this building has been designed by AEDAS, World's 5th biggest Architectural and Design firm, not some small offices like ... I don't know ... Ziki Homsi ...
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Old July 26th, 2007, 01:17 PM   #289
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ًٌDubai architects are proving to me every day they don't know what they are doing!

they just going higher and higher with out any engineering input.
those funny cantilever floors on the top will make many problems for 520m building like : sway , wind loads, differential settlement, seismic , progressive collapse...
and it will need a massive thickness of the shear walls ( may be 2m thick !) so see how much area u will lose !

So Mr.Architect did u consider those things? or u just made an new looking building to impress the client and the investors?
2m thick shearwalls, are you nuts?
The times of C55 concrete are over. For this tower they'll use C100 or C150 concrete. Which is about 2 to 3 times stronger. To accomplish those cantilever floors they can use fibers instead of steel rebar. While rebar can take loads upto 500 N/mm2 those fibers can take loads upto 3,0 kN/mm2. This means that the tower can take much more stress. This tower is possible to build. If not I would like to get some detailed arguments instead of loose shouts.

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Old July 26th, 2007, 01:35 PM   #290
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I don't doubt that this is possible to build, as Altin said the architecture firm isn't just some small random one so they're sure to have engineering input. I do fear it won't be built though because although possible to build, it'll be very expensive. At over 500m and with such a design, and considering all the expensive interiors it'll surely cost over $1bn to build, even in Dubai. There are 160 apartments in this tower and they're selling from $2m upwards, of course the penthouse would go for way more so pretend the average price is $4m. 4*160 = 640, definitely not enough.
The developer behind this (trident) is reliable though and this probably has a much better chance of being built than say, ocean heights 2 by Damac. All of trident's projects except for this one are under construction and when they speak of quality they mean it.

It'd be amazing if this does get built as it'd really push the woah factor of the upper marina
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Old July 26th, 2007, 01:58 PM   #291
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2m thick shearwalls, are you nuts?
The times of C55 concrete are over. For this tower they'll use C100 or ASTM C150 concrete. Which is about 2 to 3 times stronger. To accomplish those cantilever floors they can use fibers instead of steel rebar. While rebar can take loads upto 500 N/mm2 those fibers can take loads upto 3,0 kN/mm2. This means that the tower can take much more stress. This tower is possible to build. If not I would like to get some detailed arguments instead of loose shouts.
Oh yah ur talking about gravity stuff buddy , what about Lateral stability ? supporting the cantilevers are not an issue but it will let building to move in Dead Load so see that +wind & seismic how to maintain that ? outrigger will not work cuz columns not going from top to base so probably only central core will be in trouble and it doesnt matter the concrete grade cuz inertia is needed and this residential building so see how many riser , busbar , ducts all will run inside the core

sure Building can be build, actually any funny thing can be build but that much of materials which will be used can build 2 with same height. and they can stay 100yrs instead of 30yrs.
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The core of the tower is situated directly to the point where the tower meets the cantilever floors. This way the torsion forces on the core are kept small. The core of the tower has a oval shape which is more torsionstiff than a rectangular core.
I agree with your point that they can build more towers with easier shapes, but aesthetically this one is nicer
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Old July 26th, 2007, 03:25 PM   #293
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Wind and air flow can be manipulated to suit your needs. The Automotive design has done that for a century and so also the architecture.
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Old July 26th, 2007, 06:10 PM   #294
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many architects doing a very nice touch without all those issues.

but if everyone is happy with the price , I am out of here
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Old July 26th, 2007, 11:16 PM   #295
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This is NOT impossible to build, I have to believe that those designing the tower knew what they were doing, and I wouldn't question ANYONE making skyscrapers in Dubai, they seem to be very good at it, wouldn't you say?
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 11:49 AM   #296
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 11:57 AM   #297
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Imre Imre Imre... You always put a smile on my face

Thanks for letting us seeing the Pentimonium site

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Thanks for letting us seeing the Pentimonium site
I'd rather see a Pentominium actually being on it.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 07:01 PM   #299
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Only $2m for one of those penthouses?! That's amazingly cheap! What are the prices like for places in Dubai? Are all of them that inexpensive due to the massive supply?
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