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Old July 10th, 2008, 11:52 PM   #581
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actually, a 500m building is being built with a 200m stick on top.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 11:55 PM   #582
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and where did u get that at ? or did u just pull it out of your ass
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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:16 AM   #583
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To call that needle sticking out a "spire" is a joke. Here's another building that won't be nearly as tall as advertised.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 03:50 AM   #584
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I`m still loving this beatifull building, but seriously for me Chicago Spire and Russia Tower will be waaay taller than this. My humble opinion.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 05:31 AM   #585
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and where did u get that at ? or did u just pull it out of your ass

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Old July 11th, 2008, 05:36 AM   #586
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I think the proposed design is very beautiful, and for instance, it doesnt need such a spire at the top just to surpass the 600-meter-tall mark. The design itself without the spire looks more impressive and beautiful. I`d rather prefer a 600-meter-tall scraper without that spire. Height to the top should had been increased up to over 600 meters high. That definitively seems to be even more impressive.

Anyway, both proposals look very nice, but you know which one i like the more... So, still the Pentominium is a great addition to Dubai skyline !
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Old July 11th, 2008, 05:09 PM   #587
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i wonder how CTBUH will measure this buliding??
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Old July 11th, 2008, 09:20 PM   #588
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as 618m tall skyscraper....because they added a spire and not an antenna
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Old July 12th, 2008, 12:58 AM   #589
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618m O my god!
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Old July 12th, 2008, 02:55 AM   #590
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as 618m tall skyscraper....because they added a spire and not an antenna
but does it add any architectural meaning to the building?
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Old July 12th, 2008, 06:11 AM   #591
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^i think it does. it really suits it. its an architectural feature just like ESBs spire or Chyslers.
just like current worlds tallest apartments-322m Q1 tower. Its spire terminates the crown perfectly.
yes i understands everyone furore about how spires "cheat" and grab titles but thats life in big city. americans architects designed Pentominium and would have known about USA s height limit, so they probably thought, why build 2nd tallest in world while we could add a spire and grab the tallest title. its not only for status purpuses but market selling. pentominium will know sell better having the worlds tallest title.
Eureka in melbourne opened 1 year after Q1 and they say they are the worlds tallest apartments. even though the 297m tower falls short of 322m spire of Q1. its all about thinking and design.
but yes i do feel sorry for SPIREs marketing team and devlopers. not sure if they even know about pentominiums acddition. but i think they realise once they have seen them next to each other, they will be still happy they have a taller bldg with higher units.
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i'd really love to build a 3 story building and put a 1000m spire on top and laugh in all the faces of the silly buyers at pentominium...
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^i think it does. it really suits it. its an architectural feature just like ESBs spire or Chyslers.
just like current worlds tallest apartments-322m Q1 tower. Its spire terminates the crown perfectly.
I am sorry, but I think you are not noticing something really important in all of this.

The Chysler Building, the Empire State Building and Q1 Tower all have spires because it suits them well. The buildings naturally come to a point where a spire fits due to the shape of the buildings. As your eyes move from the base of the building to the top, the size of the floor plates get smaller and smaller.

Just think of the Burj Dubai. The building's shape automatically makes a spire a natural part of the structure. Without it, the building would end abruptly and would look unfinished.

The Pentominium has a flat roof and is almost the exact opposite of the Burj Dubai. A spire on the Pentominium does not fit well with the rest of the building. If the Pentominium's floors got smaller and smaller as it rose, then a spire would fit and would be expected. But the reality is that the Pentominium rises straight up and does not taper at the top.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 09:26 AM   #594
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The pentominium looks better without the spire.

The Chicago spire will still be the highest apartment building, because that flagpole on the pento is not part of the structure. Maybe there should be a new criterion for that, a part of the structure needs to have at least 20% of the circumference of the ground level.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 10:05 AM   #596
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I don`t like it when thin spires are counted to the building height. But recently there are many of such buildings. Trump Tower, Bank of America Tower, New York Times Tower,......

What i like about the tower is that it will have public places, not like the CS.

Culwulla i thought the Eureka Tower has also an observation deck.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 02:11 PM   #597
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i'd really love to build a 3 story building and put a 1000m spire on top and laugh in all the faces of the silly buyers at pentominium...
Yeah...
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Old July 12th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #598
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Culwulla i thought the Eureka Tower has also an observation deck.
It does. In fact it's the highest observation deck in the southern hemisphere. QI has one as well but it is much lower. You can't have an observation deck on a stick

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Old July 12th, 2008, 05:36 PM   #599
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It does. In fact it's the highest observation deck in the southern hemisphere. QI has one as well but it is much lower. You can't have an observation deck on a stick

Exactly..."You can't have an observation deck on a stick"

I wonder when the CTBUH will get it through their thick heads that the title of tallest building should be counted only up to the obvious category which is tallest to roof. IMO if this was the case you wouldn't get all these 'sticks' popping up unless it's truly an architectural feature and not just a grap at the title. ESB's spire in my opinion is one of the few (although it acts as an antennae) does fit in as architectural feature.
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Old July 13th, 2008, 05:44 AM   #600
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wow! see how desperate Dubai is....it wants to claim the world's tallest residential tower, with a spire?!?! seems like Dubai doesnt want other cities to claim the title...
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