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Old April 22nd, 2011, 06:34 PM   #2061
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Do it the swedish way, new motorways are usually only 18.5 metres wide in total, 21.5 metres if AADT is higher.
Are they 2+1 roads or 2x2 with very narrow shoulders?

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I'm unconvinced that wide medians are only created to leave room for future widening. One often sees wide medians where freeways are built in rural and sparsely populated regions of different countries (the USA and South Africa are good examples) and I do not believe this can just be to allow for widening.
This is what the Spanish norm says (roughly):

The characteristics of the median will be set from the mandatory technical-economic study, in which the radius, visibility, vehicle restraint systems, and the need to increase the number of lanes will be taken into account, as well as any other considerations (structures, signs, lighting, etc).

In any case the width of the median will be:

-Where it is expected to increase the number of lanes:
--10 m if the design speed is 100 or 120 km/h
--9 m if the design speed is 80 km/h

-Where it is not expected to increase the number of lanes: 2 m

-In exceptional and justified cases: 1m



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Perhaps where land is plentiful and cheap, it is cheaper to leave a wide median than to construct and maintain crash barriers?
The problem is that most of the Spanish highways have crash barriers despite having wide medians.

-This is a 15 m (16.4 yars) wide median in an old highway (AP-2): http://goo.gl/CIkbp
-This is a 10 m (~11 yards) wide median in a modern higway (A-67): http://goo.gl/9bHtb
-And this is one of those narrow medians (2 m). This highway runs parallel to a tolled motorway, I guess that's why they don't expect to increase the number of lanes: http://goo.gl/BYuwL
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 10:05 PM   #2062
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The idea is to link the EX-A1 to the portuguese motorway IC31, linking the spanish border to the A23 next to Castelo Branco. When completed this will be the shortest connection between Lisbon and Madrid by motorway. However, if in the Spanish side there are only 20 km which are not yet being built, in the Portuguese side nothing is done...
Let's hope that changes soon rpc08, i cant imagine an highway until the border and then a connection to the A23 by municipal roads! Althrough i bet the truckers dont mind, from Covilhã and Fundão they are already using the Penamacor-Valverde del Fresno road to go to Madrid anyway.
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 10:53 PM   #2063
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Are they 2+1 roads or 2x2 with very narrow shoulders?
18,5 m: 2+3,25+3,25+1,5+3,25+3,25+2
19,5 m: 2+3,25+3,5+2+3,5+3,25+2
21,5 m: 2+3,5+3,5+0,5+2,5+0,5+3,5+3,5+2

Earlier on the 18,5 cross section was different, with no shoulders and wider lanes + median.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 02:06 AM   #2064
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Let's hope that changes soon rpc08, i cant imagine an highway until the border and then a connection to the A23 by municipal roads! Althrough i bet the truckers dont mind, from Covilhã and Fundão they are already using the Penamacor-Valverde del Fresno road to go to Madrid anyway.
For quite a long time that was the situation at the Feces de Abaixo-Vila Nova da Raia border, where the Spanish built a motorway a few years after the Portuguese, same as at Vilar Formoso-Fuente de Oñoro.
This were great as they provided a possibility to go though the old borders rather than a boring schengen crossing
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 07:42 PM   #2065
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http://www.europapress.es/extremadur...419115724.html

10 kilometers of EX-A1 will open at 1300 hrs today between Galisteo en El Batán, west of Plasencia. The cost is only € 29 million, or € 2.9 million per kilometer.
Cheap but I'm still surprised that such roads are getting build in such a sparsely populated region. What is AADT there?
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 07:54 PM   #2066
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Probably something like 4 000 vehicles per day.
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Old April 24th, 2011, 05:33 AM   #2067
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Cheap but I'm still surprised that such roads are getting build in such a sparsely populated region. What is AADT there?
I think that some (maybe most) of the new motorways in Spain are being built because they are more secure than national roads, not because the traffic intensity...

... (and they win votes with them).
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Old April 27th, 2011, 03:04 PM   #2068
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The Supersur in Bilbao. First section to be open in June.
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Algunas tomas actuales de la Variante Sur Metropolitana de Bilbao, previas a su inauguración en poco más de un mes.

Peajes y centro de gestión en el Peñascal:


Enlace hacia la A-8 (Bilbao Este) y próxima continuación hacia la AP-68 (fase 1b):




Vistas dirección Santander, hacia los túneles de Arraiz (2,2 kms):








Unos 14 km después, hacia el Oeste en dirección Santander. Tronco común A-8 y AP-8:




En la misma zona, vista en dirección Bilbao:
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Old April 27th, 2011, 05:50 PM   #2069
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That is probably the most impressive replacement project in Spain.
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Old April 27th, 2011, 06:25 PM   #2070
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It looks like a some kind of inner city highway, yet in mountains !
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Old April 28th, 2011, 04:56 PM   #2071
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I found a few pictures of the new San Sebastián ring road. I took them last summer, on my way back from Morocco to the Netherlands.



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Old April 28th, 2011, 05:42 PM   #2072
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E-5 E-70 E-80 AP-1 AP-8
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Yeah, kinda crazy! That's why I took that picture.
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A2 upgrade Zaragoza. 30km from Zaragoza to La Muela are upgrading to 2x3

Near Zaragoza 4 lines for exit services (2+2) too

















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Another Autovía opened in the highway bonanza between Madrid and Toledo. The CM-41, also known as the Autovía de la Sagra opened for 46 kilometers today between A-5, A-42 and CM-4001 near Añover de Tajo. 7.500 vehicles will use it every day.



http://www.latribunadetoledo.es/noti...700AF7268C38D1
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Old May 4th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #2076
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A2 upgrade Zaragoza. 30km from Zaragoza to La Muela are upgrading to 2x3

Near Zaragoza 4 lines for exit services (2+2) too
So the layout in Zaragoza will be 2+3+3+2?

Nice pictures
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Old May 4th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #2077
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Another Autovía opened in the highway bonanza between Madrid and Toledo. The CM-41, also known as the Autovía de la Sagra opened for 46 kilometers today between A-5, A-42 and CM-4001 near Añover de Tajo. 7.500 vehicles will use it every day.



http://www.latribunadetoledo.es/noti...700AF7268C38D1
I would like to see M-61 getting built sometime.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 09:01 AM   #2078
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So the layout in Zaragoza will be 2+3+3+2?

Nice pictures

yeah, most of the road which through Zaragoza will have 2 lines services per sense (like Madrid roads)
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2 lines services per sense
That's about the most common Google translate mistake in road translations. Lines and sense (lanes & direction). I noticed it with many languages I translate with Google.
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yeah, most of the road which through Zaragoza will have 2 lines services per sense (like Madrid roads)
I guess you mean "2 carriles de servicio por sentido"

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That's about the most common Google translate mistake in road translations. Lines and sense (lanes & direction). I noticed it with many languages I translate with Google.
Yeah, in formal Spanish from Spain (e.g. in road projects or when you are trying to get a driving license), a road (or carriageway) has only one dirección while it can have either one or two sentidos. That's why most translators make that mistake.

1 sentido:
_________
-> ->
- - - - - -
-> ->
_________


2 sentidos:
_________
<- <-
- - - - - -
-> ->
_________

But always 1 dirección.

We are weird
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