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Old June 24th, 2011, 06:59 PM   #2101
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So they installed thousands of new 110 km/h signs for just a few months. What an incredible waste of money.
most of then where just stickers over the old signs, Now they just have to remove the stickers.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 07:59 PM   #2102
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Each regional government solved it in a different way, there are autonomies with stickers only on the number "2" to convert it to a "1", other autonomies have stickers of the whole white part of the signal... and I heard that others are not stickers but magnetic signals attached to the old signal...

This week the government have been discusing this as it was a temporal measure for save some money and it expires next July 1st, the government was divided because some politicians wanted to extend the measure for the whole summer and others wanted the measure to expire...
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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:16 PM   #2103
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i'm out of this story. they wanted to lower speed limit at (all) motorways on 110?!
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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #2104
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They actually did that for a couple of months, now reverting it back to 120 km/h.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 09:46 PM   #2105
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i'm out of this story. they wanted to lower speed limit at (all) motorways on 110?!

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Old June 25th, 2011, 03:10 AM   #2106
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It'd be interesting if half the 110s became 120s again, and the other (wisely selected) half became 130s, for the next "experimental phase."
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Old June 25th, 2011, 06:19 AM   #2107
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How may they wisely select which signals could be raised to 130 if they plan "everything" one week in advance? ¬¬'
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Old June 25th, 2011, 10:39 AM   #2108
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Good decision to put it back at 120, though 130 would have been better. Some of the autopista's are too boring and quite to drive at slow speeds. In Sweden they saw the light when they raised the speedlimit from 110 to 120 and even 130 on some stretches...
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:34 AM   #2109
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130 km/h is too fast for nearly all older generation Autovías. Sure, you can drive 130 or faster when you're almost alone on the road, but it's unsafe when traffic becomes heavier. 130 km/h could work on Autopistas and newer generation Autovías on the Meseta.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:45 AM   #2110
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Good decision to put it back at 120, though 130 would have been better. Some of the autopista's are too boring and quite to drive at slow speeds. In Sweden they saw the light when they raised the speedlimit from 110 to 120 and even 130 on some stretches...
OT: There are unfortunately no stretches in Sweden where you can drive 130. 120 is only on some stretches.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:50 AM   #2111
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130 km/h is too fast for nearly all older generation Autovías. Sure, you can drive 130 or faster when you're almost alone on the road, but it's unsafe when traffic becomes heavier. 130 km/h could work on Autopistas and newer generation Autovías on the Meseta.
I will drive 130 on any even older generation Autovia's, as I always have done. I'll slow down when there is a car in front of me driving slower, but even though some of the older generation roads are shit, I'll still keep going. Got a deadline to keep. A-52 is long, boring and gotta keep on rollin'
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:53 AM   #2112
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OT: There are unfortunately no stretches in Sweden where you can drive 130. 120 is only on some stretches.
Came across an area between Helsingborg and Gothenburg where 130 was permitted. But they got a few laws of their own on that bit anyway. Forgotten what that region is called now... Halland?
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Came across an area between Helsingborg and Gothenburg where 130 was permitted. But they got a few laws of their own on that bit anyway. Forgotten what that region is called now... Halland?
Unlikely, Halland was testing ground for the 120 limit though.
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Unlikely, Halland was testing ground for the 120 limit though.
May have been mistaken then...
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May have been mistaken then...
Just wishful thinking
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Although the signs said 120, in fact most of the people drove at 130 km/h, even on older autovías. That's because speed cameras have a 10% tolerance. I have noticed that in densely-populated regions, such as Madrid, Catalonia or the Basque Country, the speed camera density is also higher and the people respects more the 120 km/h speed limit. If we take tolled autopistas, which have generally less speed cameras, many people drive at 140 or even 150 km/h, depending on the traffic volume and the car driven. Some years ago the average speed was much higher though, as there were no speed cameras on tolled autopistas. I remember going from Logroño to Zaragoza on the AP-68 (then simply A-68) at 180 km/h and being surpassed by 2 Civil Guard motorbikes. The exception is the AP-8 in the Basque Country, it's almost 40 years old and some sharp curves are limited to 80 km/h, you'd better obey the signs!


Regarding first-generation autovías: A-1 from Somosierra tunnel to Burgos, A-2, A-3/A-31 & A-4 in Castile-La Mancha are under refurbishment righ now. I've only seen the A-1, and currently you just can't drive faster than 80 km/h (sometimes 60 IIRC). There are only 2/3 lanes for most of its length, one per direction (sometimes 2 for one direction), and all of them in the same carriageway. The rebuilt stretches looked the same as any new autovía.
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Motorways through Barcelona have a 80 km/h limit, and people stick by them. The area is buried under speed camera's, and the Spanish authorities need money...
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Motorways through Barcelona have a 80 km/h limit, and people stick by them. The area is buried under speed camera's, and the Spanish authorities need money...
Which of Barcelona's freeways are under that ridiculous low limit? Does that include AP-7?
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Old June 25th, 2011, 05:21 PM   #2119
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Which of Barcelona's freeways are under that ridiculous low limit? Does that include AP-7?
No. Currently only the ring urban motorways Ronda Litoral and Ronda de Dalt keep the 80 km/h speed limit (althought Ronda Litoral has also 100 km/h sections). Which is kind of acceptable given the extreme traffic volume and amount of exits they have.

Between 2008 and 2010 several motorways around a 25 km radious from the Barcelona municipality were given an absurd 80 km/h speed limit (they had originally 120 km/h or 100 km/h speed limits). -AP-7 was originally set to have also a 80km/h speed limit but was later left outside the plan-

On 2011 centre-right catalanists were back in power and returned speed limits to the original 100km and 120 km/h they had, as they promised in the campaign (the speed limit reduction was an idea of a government coalition of catalan separtists, socialists and comunists that ruled Catalonia for 7 years).
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at Ronda de Dalt and especially Ronda Litoral there is no need for higher speed limit. maybe at Dalt during the night.
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