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Old August 1st, 2011, 02:19 AM   #2241
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Thanks, I found most of the information on the net. I was wandering if there are any photos of motorways in Tenerife and Gran Canaria?

What do you recommend about the ferry between the two of them? To make reservation (for two people)?
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Old August 1st, 2011, 11:54 AM   #2242
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I've never used a ferry there. I just have been in one island but go and back by plane.

If you are interested, I can find a thread where you can ask, and no problem if question is in English.

At Gran Canaria and Tenerife are some motorways with specifications similar to other Spanish ones... but inside roads will be narrow and not the same.
Think that... highest mountain in Spain is... in the Island of Tenerife, so inside roads will be as normal mountain roads, as well as external roads ar coast roads.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 02:18 PM   #2243
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Thanks, I found most of the information on the net. I was wandering if there are any photos of motorways in Tenerife and Gran Canaria?

What do you recommend about the ferry between the two of them? To make reservation (for two people)?


Depending of your destinations in both islands, maybe a plane and rent-a-car in the other island can be better option.

One person said me that in small islands there are not too many taxis because... there are many rent-a-car. People is used to go by plane and get a car there for one or several days.



Timetables and fares can be seen in the two companies that offer the service: Transmediterranea and Fred Olsen.
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What are the exact (law text) regulations for blank speed limits? Does someone have them easy? (I can read most Spanish, though I can't write or speak).
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Basically, for cars and motorbikes (>50 cc):

-120 km/h in autopistas and autovías.

-100 km/h in vías para automóviles or normal roads with:
--at least more than one lane for any direction, or
--at least 1.5 m wide shoulder

-90 km/h in the rest of cases.

Also, in a road that is not an autopista or autovía, you can exceed the limit in 20 km/h when overtaking, but with three conditions:
-You are driving a car or a motorbike.
-There is no specific speed limit (i.e. only if the signs say the limit is 100 or 90 respectively).
-The vehicle you want to overtake is going slower than the speed limit.

So basically if the car preceding you is driving at <90 km/h in a 90-type road whose speed limit in that stretch is 90, you can overtake it at 110 km/h. But if there is a crossing in which you have the priority and the speed limit is 70 km/h, you can only overtake it at 70 km/h (given it's allowed).


What the law says:

(Page 36)

http://www.dgt.es/was6/portal/conten...trafico063.pdf


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Artículo 48. Velocidades máximas en vías fuera de poblado.

1. Las velocidades máximas que no deberán ser rebasadas, salvo en los supuestos previstos en el artículo 51, son las siguientes:

a) Para automóviles:

1º En autopistas y autovías: turismos y motocicletas, 120 kilómetros por hora; autobuses, vehículos derivados de turismo y vehículos mixtos adaptables, 100 kilómetros por hora; camiones, vehículos articulados, tractocamiones, furgones y automóviles con remolque de hasta 750 kilogramos, 90 kilómetros
por hora; restantes automóviles con remolque, 80 kilómetros por hora.


2º En carreteras convencionales señalizadas como vías para automóviles y en el resto de carreteras convencionales, siempre que estas últimas tengan un arcén pavimentado de 1,50 metros o más de anchura, o más de un carril para alguno de los sentidos de circulación: turismos y motocicletas, 100 kilómetros por hora; autobuses, vehículos derivados de turismo y vehículos mixtos adaptables, 90 kilómetros por hora; camiones, tractocamiones, furgones, vehículos articulados y automóviles con remolque, 80 kilómetros por hora.


3º En el resto de las vías fuera de poblado: turismos y motocicletas, 90 kilómetros por hora; autobuses, vehículos derivados de turismo y vehículos mixtos adaptables, 80 kilómetros por hora; camiones, tractocamiones, furgones, vehículos articulados y automóviles con remolque, 70 kilómetros por hora.


4º En cualquier tipo de vía donde esté permitida su circulación: vehículos de tres ruedas y cuadriciclos, 70 kilómetros por hora.


b) Para los vehículos que realicen transporte escolar y de menores o que transporten mercancías peligrosas, se reducirá en 10 kilómetros por hora la velocidad máxima fijada en el párrafo a) en función del tipo de vehículo y de la vía por la que circula. En el supuesto de que en un autobús viajen pasajeros de pie porque así esté autorizado, la velocidad máxima, cualquiera que sea el tipo de vía fuera de poblado, será de 80 kilómetros por hora.


c) Para vehículos especiales y conjuntos de vehículos, también especiales, aunque sólo tenga tal naturaleza uno de los que integran el conjunto:

1º Si carecen de señalización de frenado, llevan remolque o son motocultores: 25 kilómetros por hora.

2º Los restantes vehículos especiales: 40 kilómetros por hora, salvo cuando puedan desarrollar una velocidad superior a los 60 kilómetros por hora en llano con arreglo a sus características, y cumplan las condiciones que se señalan en las normas reguladoras de los vehículos; en tal caso, la velocidad máxima será de 70 kilómetros por hora.



d) Para vehículos en régimen de transporte especial, la señalada en el anexo III de este reglamento.


e) Para ciclos, ciclomotores de dos y tres ruedas y cuadriciclos ligeros: 45 kilómetros por hora. No obstante, los conductores de bicicletas podrán superar dicha velocidad máxima en aquellos tramos en los que las circunstancias de la vía permitan desarrollar una velocidad superior.


f) Los vehículos en los que su conductor circule a pie no sobrepasarán la velocidad del paso humano, y los animales que arrastren un vehículo, la del trote.

g) Los vehículos a los que, por razones de ensayo o experimentación, les haya sido concedido un permiso especial para ensayos podrán rebasar las velocidades establecidas como máximas en 30 kilómetros por hora, pero sólo dentro del itinerario fijado y en ningún caso cuando circulen por vías urbanas, travesías o por tramos en los que exista señalización específica que limite la velocidad.
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Artículo 51. Velocidades máximas en adelantamientos.

1. Las velocidades máximas fijadas para las carreteras convencionales que no discurran por suelo urbano sólo podrán ser rebasadas en 20 kilómetros por hora por turismos y motocicletas cuando adelanten a otros vehículos que circulen a velocidad inferior a aquéllas (artículo 19.4 del texto articulado).

2. Las infracciones a las normas de este precepto tendrán la consideración de graves conforme se prevé en el artículo 65.4.c), salvo que tengan la consideración de muy graves, de conformidad con lo dispuesto en el
artículo 65.5.e), ambos del texto articulado de la Ley sobre tráfico, circulación de vehículos a motor y seguridad vial.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 04:01 PM   #2246
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Anyway, speed limits, even if are general for all the road, even if are only for a part, will appear regularly.

I remember than in the island of Fuerteventura, the only small motorway was limited to 90 in the 6 km it had. And the rest of the island had a limit of that speed for all roads.


There are many "fix" radars. This is, always in the same location. They can be checked in the official page and they are adviced (and nevertheless, people still cross overspeed there... and fine is sure in that case!!!). But there are some police cars will radars that will check your speed.


They will be too many car controls because safety. This weekend... end or begining of holidays or just a weekend in the middle of the summer... there have been 15 deaths on Spanish roads!!!!!!.

Should a policemen stop a foreing driver because any infraction, he is allowed to request the amount of the fine in the instant.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 04:24 PM   #2247
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you mean they don't officialy exist in law? because in reality they exist. for instance C63 Vidreres - Lloret de Mar. there should also be speed limit 100 km/h if i remember well.
The term vía rápida was replaced in 2003 by vía para automóviles. It was done because the word rápida (fast) was somehow confusing. The same was done with the concepts carril rápido (fast lane) and carril lento (slow lane), which were changed into carriles reservados en función de la velocidad

The sign was also replaced:

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Vías rápidas had white-over-green directional signs, but new vías para automóviles have normal black-over-white signs. At least theoretically, because in practice I have never seen a road in Spain with the white-car-over-blue-rectangle sign.

In Galicia they still use green sings on newly built roads as in the old vías rápidas, even though neither the vía rápida nor the vía para automóviles signs are used. The reason is that the autonomous government of Galicia made an infrastructure plan some years ago that included two kinds of roads called VRG/VG (vía rápida galega) and CRG/CG (corredor rápido galego). I don't know the difference, maybe the CRG are longer than the VRG?

They are named with two numbers separated with a dot, the first one depends on the province:
1-A Coruña
2-Lugo
3-Ourense
4-Pontevedra

So CG-2.1 is a corredor rápido galego located in the province of Lugo.

Examples:VG-4.3, CG-2.1.


There are some green signs left in some other places too, as the C-25 in Catalonia.

But the national government doesn't like vías para automóviles, therefore many national roads that were vías rápidas in the past are not classified as vías para automóviles nowadays, but normal roads, such as:
-N-629 in Cantabria.
-N-632 in Asturias.
-N-432 in Córdoba.
-N-320 in Guadalajara.

Notice that the exits are numbered, as in the old vías rápidas, unlike the newly (post-2003) reburbished national roads which have the same characteristics but the exits are not numbered:

-N-232 and N-111 in La Rioja.
-N-121a in Navarre.
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In other words... "via rapida" doesn't exist... and are considered as a normal road (even if characteristics will be a little better). "autovia" exists only in part of the network. Most of them are being changed as "autopista" (even if signals are wrong).

All new roads or updating are being according to the same standards... but it is recommended to have a look to the road you are going to cross. Or it can be enough to ask.
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The term vía rápida was replaced in 2003 by vía para automóviles. It was done because the word rápida (fast) was somehow confusing. The same was done with the concepts carril rápido (fast lane) and carril lento (slow lane), which were changed into carriles reservados en función de la velocidad

The sign was also replaced:

Vías rápidas had white-over-green directional signs, but new vías para automóviles have normal black-over-white signs. At least theoretically, because in practice I have never seen a road in Spain with the white-car-over-blue-rectangle sign.

In Galicia they still use green sings on newly built roads as in the old vías rápidas, even though neither the vía rápida nor the vía para automóviles signs are used. The reason is that the autonomous government of Galicia made an infrastructure plan some years ago that included two kinds of roads called VRG/VG (vía rápida galega) and CRG/CG (corredor rápido galego). I don't know the difference, maybe the CRG are longer than the VRG?

They are named with two numbers separated with a dot, the first one depends on the province:
1-A Coruña
2-Lugo
3-Ourense
4-Pontevedra

So CG-2.1 is a corredor rápido galego located in the province of Lugo.

Examples:VG-4.3, CG-2.1.
They still use the green signs of vía rápida, although they have covered the letters. IMO they should use the vía para automóviles sign and black on white signs.

I want the same for Catalonia: Signage as the law says (And not the kinda French signage they have), and the C-xx written in black on orange instead of white on red (National roads).
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What is the reason for the dislike of vías para automóviles? (=expressways?) Has Spain ever actually used the expressway sign? It's kind of weird to have autovias, but not expressways, even though they're built with expressway standards and rules (no slow-moving traffic etc.). And there seems to be a lot of them too.


The "via rapida" has been used but so little.......

And in most of cases... there was a project for a motorway, they built the first carriageway and opened to traffic (1+1 while the other carriageway was under construction). That part was "via rapida" in some of cases...

Nowadays it is not further use. All new roads can have characteristics similar to the old required for a "via rapida" but signals are as a normal road.
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I want the same for Catalonia: Signage as the law says (And not the kinda French signage they have), and the C-xx written in black on orange instead of white on red (National roads).


Depending the region...

If the road is competence of the Central government, roads will be in white letters over red signals. And except the six radial roads (with Roman numbers), all of them three numbers.

If the road is competence of a region, the colour and numbers can change between one and other.

In any case, the free and toll motorways (even from central or regional governments) are in blue.
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http://maps.google.com/maps?q=45.772...IYHOsAbe9YXMCQ

pay attention to the blue sign table beyond the "Esso" advertisement: amazing!

Here's one in Spain:
http://maps.google.es/maps?ll=40.824...12,328.77,,2,5

Alcañiz is 40 km away... in both directions!
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Here's one in Spain:
http://maps.google.es/maps?ll=40.824...12,328.77,,2,5

Alcañiz is 40 km away... in both directions!


Alcañiz is the "smaller city in Spain that it is indicated far away". This is because it is located in a very dessert zone. No population and three national roads (six directions) crosses there.


I the cross of the photo I will get the left direction with no doubt... but it is sure they could save the other signal!!!!.


Alcañiz it is also where it is located the speed circuit "Motorland Aragon". One of the races run there is the Grand Prix of Aragon of Moto GP, in september.

www.motorlandaragon.com

http://www.motogp.com/en/events/Aragon/2011
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A new section of A-334 in Andalucía (Almería province) opened today. Approximately 14 kilometers between Albox and Zurgena. The section west to Fines already opened in 2009.

http://www.canalsur.es/portal_rtva/w..._del_almanzora
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Today the second minister for public works has visited the "third access to Cadiz".
It is a huge bridge over the bay.

In september they will start moving the horizontal pannels

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_.../110803-01.htm

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=346871
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3rd road to Cadiz

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...6#post82535776


Horizontal plattform will start to be moved in september.

In google 3D you can see the bridge even when it is not finished.
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Old August 6th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #2257
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The fastest way from Torrelavega (in Cantabria) to Madrid is via Aguilar de Campóo and Burgos (A-67, A-231 and A-1), but this time a friend and me decided to change the route due to works in A-1 in Burgos province, so we took the way via Segovia

From Valladolid to Madrid via Segovia (June 2.011)


VA-30












Seeing Valladolids' San Cristóbal hill we left VA-30 in order to take A-601 to Segovia






Sistema Central Mountains




Segovia's cathedral




Spain's Via Rapida reminds me old Torrelavega's ringroad, till 2002




Segovia




Eresma bridge




High Speed Trains` Station




A-6 in Madrid's region, in fact you can distinguish Madrid's skyline with CTBA on the left




















Spanish Television TV Tower (El Pirulí), el Faro de la Moncloa, Colón Towers and Valencia Tower.
























Picasso Tower




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Madrid's cathedral, "La Almudena", seen from Madrid's main ringroad, M-30







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Great! We lack photo reports from Spain

I wonder if the AP-6 is the only motorway in Spain with reversible lanes. They don't seem to be that popular in Europe.
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Wonderful, traffic appears to be smooth.
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Great! We lack photo reports from Spain

I wonder if the AP-6 is the only motorway in Spain with reversible lanes. They don't seem to be that popular in Europe.
Thanks!

Well, you have Barcelona's Avinguda Diagonal entrance (ending motorway, as in Madrid)

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