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Old September 24th, 2011, 04:06 PM   #2381
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I already posted that news (#2373)
Sorry Ciceron.

I lived now far away from there, but I was living just 80 km away... and I should want to visit new motorway when opened



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They should remove all tolls on underutilized motorways, especially the AP-7 Cartagena-Almeria, to divert traffic from nearby roads.

When will the remaining part be opened? And what will be done woth the old carriageways, quite good on some parts?

There are two ways:

- Waiting to finish the years of private management...

- Paying for money not "cashed" in the following years (it was made in a short part, maybe 5 km).

Apart of that, all governments usually made "followings". This is... Should a management finish in 20XX, they sign 20XX+10 (for example) and they request a free toll in a little part, an improvement, discounts for other trajects, etc...
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Old September 24th, 2011, 04:06 PM   #2382
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They should remove all tolls on underutilized motorways, especially the AP-7 Cartagena-Almeria, to divert traffic from nearby roads.
That's quite complicated because that would imply that the government has to give (instead of just lend) money to the concessionaire to revoke the concession contract.

It was a government's mistake to put these tolled motorways out to tender, and it was a companies' mistake to submit, but an empty tolled motorway is only a companies' problem (leaving apart environmental issues). They should learn to hire the right people for their finance department.


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When will the remaining part be opened? And what will be done woth the old carriageways, quite good on some parts?
I don't know, but I think it will be opened for Christmas. The old carriageways will probably become normal 1+1 roads named JA-XXXX.
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Old September 24th, 2011, 06:05 PM   #2383
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The motorway construction cost in Spain was the lowest in western Europe for years, regularly between € 3 and € 6 million per kilometer. Hence traffic volumes can also be much lower and still make a profit. However, 1.700 - 2.300 vehicles per day is very low, it may be the least-traveled motorway in Europe.
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Old September 24th, 2011, 11:50 PM   #2384
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But... some details about traffic and construction:

- "terrain" is very cheap (it was discussed on a thread about railways where the cost of the terrain was compared with other countries and when it is in the middle of country it is really cheap)

- Mountains wherever you go. Just only some routes can be "flat". The rest requires mountains passes, tunnels, etc... (yeah... it has an average high important... it is not all beach and coast)

- Very low population density. And except Madrid, Zaragoza and Valladolid, all major cities are around the coast or near: Barcelona, Valencia, Alicante, Murcia, Málaga, Sevilla, Vigo, La Coruña, Gijón and Oviedo, Bilbao...

- No traffic to connect to other countries (except those for ferries to Morocco and some routes to Portugal).


So then, you can find that in every year budget some new motorways are planned. And traffic will not be the same than in other European countries. Distances are important and since some years ago, not only all major routes crosses the coast or the centre.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 09:47 PM   #2385
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The new E05 bypass in Despeñaperros is open (Except for the Northern half Southbound). Here are some photos from Spanish forum Urbanity:

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They have made it 2x3. I have a question: from how many vehicles a day a 3rd lane is needed? I want to make a list of Spanish motorways that should be widened to 2x3.

PS: some kilometers Southwest of there is located the well known town of Guarromán. It seems that there's a man who haven't taken a bath for ages with that name.
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Old September 27th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #2386
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Venta de Cárdenas-Aldeaquemada (both carriageways will be open):

Aldeaquemada-Santa Elena (only the northbound carriageway will be open from next Monday):
According to the video, it's the opposite:
-Venta de Cárdenas-Aldeaquemada: Only the northbound carriageway is opened.
-Aldeaquemada-Santa Elena: Both carriageways are opened.

This viaduct has to be demolished in order to finish the southbound carriageway (see 1:35).
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Old September 27th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #2387
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They have made it 2x3. I have a question: from how many vehicles a day a 3rd lane is needed? I want to make a list of Spanish motorways that should be widened to 2x3.
It depends on truck share. Usually above 70.000 - 80.000 it will get congested, however 2x3 is already better for traffic flow above 55.000 - 65.000 vehicles per day.

Which is almost no extra-urban motorway in Spain.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 01:41 AM   #2388
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And you should consider too punctual limits. This is... should a way requires to go slowly (because tunnels, danger, hills...) the capacity is smaller... so needs new calculs for congestions.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 01:49 AM   #2389
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Hi! Could anyone tell me how many kilometers of the new highways(autopistas?) are under construction in Spain right now and how many Spain's got in general? BTW The photos in this thread just blew my mind...Awesomeness...
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Old September 28th, 2011, 02:04 AM   #2390
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Bfff... the question is not easy to answer faster but in my region are on works:

A-23 Nueno-Jaca (some parts not startet yet, other can be opened this year)
A-21 Jaca-Pamplona (same situation)
A-22 Huesca-Lerida (near to be finish except in the surroundings to Huesca where not startet yet. Apart of it, only two parts are pending to be finished)


I know other more: A-26, A-12, A-27, A-66, A-15... but I am sure that the full list I will not make it complete.

Should you are interested in a zone, ask for it and we can redirect to the specific area where forumers living there will answer better than me.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 02:48 AM   #2391
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Thanks I'll search through this thread and perhaps I'll find some more info even though I don't speak spanish. Cheers!
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Old September 28th, 2011, 12:31 PM   #2392
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In any Spanish thread, feel free to ask in English if you need help. You will not be the first one.

If the question is about a specific area, ask for it because the best is asking in the road thread of that region, better than the general one.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 03:35 PM   #2393
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OK. Thx for the reply.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 06:29 PM   #2394
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Hi! Could anyone tell me how many kilometers of the new highways(autopistas?) are under construction in Spain right now and how many Spain's got in general? BTW The photos in this thread just blew my mind...Awesomeness...
This map shows the autopistas/autovías being built currently: http://mda2.pacopaco.es/

Some stretches, such as the GI-131 (future A-15 near San Sebastián), are missing though.
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In August I went there and GI-131 was already signed as A-15.

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It depends on truck share. Usually above 70.000 - 80.000 it will get congested, however 2x3 is already better for traffic flow above 55.000 - 65.000 vehicles per day.

Which is almost no extra-urban motorway in Spain.
OK, so no motorway needs to be widened to 2x3 here. Yet. But at least they could widen the E15 between Alicante and Murcia instead of building the proposed AP-37.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 08:13 PM   #2396
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Found this on my computer.

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Ciceron Gracias for the very helpful link. Hola
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #2398
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This map shows the autopistas/autovías being built currently: http://mda2.pacopaco.es/

Some stretches, such as the GI-131 (future A-15 near San Sebastián), are missing though.
Very useful link indeed. Is there any possibility the map to be downloaded?
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Old September 29th, 2011, 04:21 PM   #2399
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Very useful link indeed. Is there any possibility the map to be downloaded?
Yep. Try this link (warning, 9 MB).

For more maps showing existing and projected motorways: http://trenecicos.wordpress.com/2011...ias-de-espana/
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Old September 29th, 2011, 06:45 PM   #2400
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pacopaco´s maps of Spanish infrastrauctures are the best

more photos of Despeñaperros




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