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Old December 1st, 2011, 06:28 PM   #2521
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Nice. Gracias!
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Old December 1st, 2011, 10:49 PM   #2522
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S-30, the bypass of Santander, is almost finished. It is suppose to open this year, according to Spanish Wikipedia.

Here are some nice photos by Job314 from urbanity.es, dated 26 November 2011.







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Old December 1st, 2011, 11:09 PM   #2523
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Is there significance to the "Torrelavega" and "Solares" being in a smaller font than other destinations?
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 01:12 AM   #2524
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All roads and motorways at Navarra and Basque country (except AP-68) are managed by regional governments. The rest of Spain by the Ministry.

It's not correct.
Should read:

All roads and motorways at Navarra and Basque country (except AP-68) are managed by provincial governments called diputaciones (Gipuzkoa, Araba, Bizkaia, Navarra)
In the rest of Spain, the roads and highways are the property of regional governments except the state-owned. They are managed by regional governments of these 15 autonomous regions. Except the state-owned, that are managed by the central government.
There are also provincial (and local) owned roads at these other regions.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 01:27 PM   #2525
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Is there significance to the "Torrelavega" and "Solares" being in a smaller font than other destinations?
They are not province capitals. They are written because these are the places where the A-67 or the S-10 respectively merge with the A-8.

However, El Sardinero is only a district of Santander but it is written with the same font size as province capitals
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 02:08 PM   #2526
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Some pictures of the A-21 in Navarre taken on Nov 26th by bobyweb from urbanity.es. The opening will be on Dec 22nd.

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Fotos tomadas del tramo 5 el 26 de noviembre. Inauguración del tramo 4 y 5 previsto para el 22 de diciembre de 2011.


Tramo 5 con túneles de Yesa al fondo sentido Noain.


Al fondo límite con Zaragoza desde mismo puente que la anterior foto.


Viaducto de acceso a los túneles de Yesa dirección Noain.


Inicio del viaducto de acceso a túneles de Yesa desde arcén.


Salida 47 hacia Yesa y Monasterio de Leire (Salida de tuneles sentido Noain)


Boca de acceso Oeste de los túneles de Yesa
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 02:27 PM   #2527
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I did an assessment of the Spanish motorway network length.

I got the following numbers. There may be a small margin of error due to the network complexity, but not into hundreds of kilometers.

* total motorway network: 15 554 km
* National motorways: 11 488 km
* Comunidad motorways: 2 596 km
* Provincial motorways: 1 470 km
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 03:17 PM   #2528
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Thank you for that work, ChrisZwolle

Can anyone show the progress of A-21 in the map with the finished sections (including that in Navarra presented by Ciceron) and those under construction? I think that alserrod had a map of the motorway but I am curious to see it after the new sections are finished.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 08:34 PM   #2529
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This december:

Pamplona - End of Navarra, completely finished A-21

At Aragon (border Navarra/Aragón - Jaca)

It is only opened between the A-1601 and the end of Zaragoza province.

Curious but at Google Maps they have not updated the motorway opened here but they have drawn the two exits. Take a look here and you will see two short roads near N-240. They are the connections between N-240 and the A-21 opened in Aragon

http://maps.google.es/?ll=42.610022,...h&z=14&vpsrc=6



Rest:

Border Navarra/Aragon - Tiermas, on works (at google appears as opened)

Tiermas - A-137 / Sigüés, on works

A-137 - A1601, not started

A1601 - Huesca province, Opened to traffic

Zaragoza province - Road to Fago, on works

Road to Fago - Berdún, not started

Berdún - Jaca, on works



Jaca will be crossed by the north so connection to Somport tunnel will be faster.

Furthermore, Jaca-Sabiñanigo is opened, but this is now A-23.

A-21 will finish at Jaca
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 08:52 PM   #2530
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This december:

Pamplona - End of Navarra, completely finished A-21

At Aragon (border Navarra/Aragón - Jaca)

It is only opened between the A-1601 and the end of Zaragoza province.

Curious but at Google Maps they have not updated the motorway opened here but they have drawn the two exits. Take a look here and you will see two short roads near N-240. They are the connections between N-240 and the A-21 opened in Aragon

http://maps.google.es/?ll=42.610022,...h&z=14&vpsrc=6



Rest:

Border Navarra/Aragon - Tiermas, on works (at google appears as opened)

Tiermas - A-137 / Sigüés, on works

A-137 - A1601, not started

A1601 - Huesca province, Opened to traffic

Zaragoza province - Road to Fago, on works

Road to Fago - Berdún, not started

Berdún - Jaca, on works



Jaca will be crossed by the north so connection to Somport tunnel will be faster.

Furthermore, Jaca-Sabiñanigo is opened, but this is now A-23.

A-21 will finish at Jaca
The road to Fago (HU-V-2022) begins right at the Huesca/Zaragoza provincial border, so there's no room for a section. BTW, the Westernmost section in Aragon will open together with the last two sections in Navarre.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 09:00 PM   #2531
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On December 22nd, the final 16 kilometers of A-21 will open in Navarra, near Yesa.

http://www.radiohuesca.com/noticia/4...ite-con-Aragon
Thanks for posting a link to the website of our radio .

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Even though Madrid already has the most extensive motorway network in Europe, why stop there? They thought so, so they are currently converting M-206 to a 2x2 autovía. It's about 5 kilometers long and will run from Torrejón de Ardoz to Loeches. It's the 7th motorway to serve this suburban area.

http://www.madrid.org/cs/Satellite?c...=1109266100996

In that map there is the MP-203, which is planned to open on February 30th.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 09:02 PM   #2532
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In that map there is the MP-203, which is planned to open on February 30th.
When?
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In that map there is the MP-203, which is planned to open on February 30th.
Look at the dashed line next to the M-206 from the roundabout in Torrejón to the M-225
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 11:41 AM   #2534
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When?
Never . I wrote February 30th, date that does not exist. Works are stopped because of some issues between the Government of Madrid and the contractor.

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Look at the dashed line next to the M-206 from the roundabout in Torrejón to the M-225
I already saw that when I posted the other thing.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 01:03 PM   #2535
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I did an assessment of the Spanish motorway network length.

I got the following numbers. There may be a small margin of error due to the network complexity, but not into hundreds of kilometers.

* total motorway network: 15 554 km
* National motorways: 11 488 km
* Comunidad motorways: 2 596 km
* Provincial motorways: 1 470 km
good job

here is the official data, Anuario 2010 Fomento, at 31 dec 2010

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_...nuario2010.htm

Chapter 7 is for roads (pdf for download)

page 8 have a historic table for "vias de gran capacidad" = Autopistas (motorways) + Autovias (expressways) + Carreteras de doble calzada (dual carriage ways)

In page 22 there is a table by regions (Comunidad autonoma) and provinces (diputaciones y cabildos)

Total network at 31 dec 2010 = 15965 km (2991 toll motorways + 11271 expressways + 1703 dual carriage ways)

25 km of toll motorways missing = no toll anymore and reclassified as expressways.
266 km of new expressways (including the 25km reclassified)
104 km of new dual carriage ways (not sure if new build of reclassified from expressways or from upgrade of convetional roads).

as a example my region (Andalusia) have 2642 km (251 of "carretera de doble calzada", 2194 of "Autopista y Autovia Libre" and 197 of "Autopista de peaje")
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Not all "carretera de doble calzada" or "carretera de alta capacidad" are motorways though. There are even autovías with roundabouts (for example around Elche).
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Not all "carretera de doble calzada" or "carretera de alta capacidad" are motorways though. There are even autovías with roundabouts (for example around Elche).
yes, i know that, that the reason i give the complete numbers. But you must have counted them to give the number of 15554.

without the "dual carriage ways" the number is 14262 kms
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Not all "carretera de doble calzada" or "carretera de alta capacidad" are motorways though. There are even autovías with roundabouts (for example around Elche).
If it has a roundabout, it is not an autovía. You won't find this sing when entering that kind of roads:


Those roads, such as the one you mentioned around Elche or the N-340 near Estepona, are classified as "carreteras de doble calzada" (and obviously don't have the sign I posted above).
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There are a few roundabout-ridden 2x2 roads with an A-number though.

Such as this one (there is a roundabout right behind this photo)
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A-number does not imply autovía . The necessary and sufficient condition for some road to be an autovía is the "AUTOVÍA" (or "AUTOBIA" in Basque-speaking areas) S-1a sign I posted above.

If you check the pages 53 and 54 of the chapter 7 of the Anuario (posted by ajch), you'll see that the A-78 does not exist officially as "autovía o autopista libre de peaje", but if you check the "doble calzada" there's the N-340 "Inicio doble calzada - Fin doble calzada (p. k. 708,340 - 722,260)" which is exactly that stretch of road signed as A-78.


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