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Old June 20th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #241
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120 km/h on motorways, 100 km/h on expressways and 90 km/h on extra-urban local highways.
Sorry but 90 km / h is for all two lane roads, if this road has verge (> 1 m) or at least three lanes 100 km / h
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Old June 21st, 2007, 12:55 AM   #242
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Yeah, I had to specify. In the USA, local highways are generally two-lane roads with a narrow shoulder, so I was referring to them.
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Old June 21st, 2007, 01:21 AM   #243
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wow excelentes autopistas.
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Old June 21st, 2007, 01:35 AM   #244
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120 km/h on motorways, 100 km/h on expressways and 90 km/h on extra-urban local highways.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by expressways, but the speed limit in both autopistas and autovias is 120km/h, but both are freeways.
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Old June 21st, 2007, 01:36 AM   #245
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I hadn't seen the last posts... I think it was clear already.
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Old June 21st, 2007, 01:52 AM   #246
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Was the photos are from november, now old A-1 is closed now the A-1 goes on a modern autovia, btw for the speeds limit, near Vitoria you can found one (N-102) with the speed limit at 100 KM/h and the A-1 it's limited at 120 and they are autovias.
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Old June 21st, 2007, 03:09 AM   #247
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Was the photos are from november, now old A-1 is closed now the A-1 goes on a modern autovia, btw for the speeds limit, near Vitoria you can found one (N-102) with the speed limit at 100 KM/h and the A-1 it's limited at 120 and they are autovias.

Don't you mean "now old N-I is closed now the A-1 goes on a modern autovia"?
It's just a detail, but I guess that old stretch was never renamed to A-1, right?

Btw, is the N-102 classified as autovia? Well, if that's the case, it's one of those urban autovias, not a trully autovia to full standards I guess.
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To 1st yes, for the N-102 look under "Vitoria-Gasteiz" you can see the "end of autovia" on the road to Jundiz.

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Old June 21st, 2007, 05:18 PM   #249
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I see.
I said that because on viamichelin maps that road isn't qualified has having autovia quality (dual carriageway with motorway characteristics), but just as a dual carriageway (which could have roundabouts, traffic lights, left turns, etc...).
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That was before, now it's fully autovia, or that's what DFA (Diputacion Foral de Alava) say, from N-1/A-1 to A-4303 it's marked autovia.
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 12:47 AM   #251
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Yeah... but there are some cases of roads without autovia standards which are classified as autovia (for example the A7 south of Estepona untill the reunion with AP-7, which has roundabouts).
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New signal for speed limit in Spain...




Nephasto, si aciertas el lugar de la foto te hago un regalito
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM   #253
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Por cierto será en la frontera com Portugal, pero no hago ni idea de donde.


That signal is really weird, because it lacks the symbol of autovia... and that limit of 100km/h in roads where the shoulders are at least 1.5m wide.... how the hell are people supposed to know how wide is the shoulder? (if it's 1m or 1.5m for example)?!
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what the hell is that bottom thing meaning?

This sign sucks bigtime, it doesn't show speed limits inside city limits, and not on Autovia's.
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Yeah... it's really weird...

The standard sign is something like this:
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What is a Via Rapida? Never heard of that. What's the difference between an normal carretera and a via Rapida? Some kind of one-lane expressways?
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 02:22 AM   #257
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What is a Via Rapida? Never heard of that. What's the difference between an normal carretera and a via Rapida? Some kind of one-lane expressways?
They are like a Nacional road, with at least one of this additional features:
- The wide of the shoulders is at least 1.5 meters.
- They have at least 3 lanes (two in one direction and one in the other).

They are limited at 100 km/h. Nacional roads at 90 km/h.

In many cases they are old Nacional roads upgraded into Vias Rapidas as there is not traffic enough to build a freeway.
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Do they use this sign in Spain at all?



I think it would logically correspond to Via Rapida and would not confuse visitors upon entering to Spain.

Here I made an example of how it could look like:

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What is a Via Rapida? Never heard of that. What's the difference between an normal carretera and a via Rapida?

Some kind of one-lane expressways?
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They are like a Nacional road, with at least one of this additional features:
- The wide of the shoulders is at least 1.5 meters.
- They have at least 3 lanes (two in one direction and one in the other).

They are limited at 100 km/h. Nacional roads at 90 km/h.

In many cases they are old Nacional roads upgraded into Vias Rapidas as there is not traffic enough to build a freeway.
Perdona que te conteste en castellano, pero no podría explicar esto en inglés.

Una vía rápida es un tipo de vía de circulación que ya está descatalogado por el Ministerio, pero que se puede definir como una vía que cumple todas las condiciones de autopista a excepción de tener una calzada para cada sentido.

Una vía rápida puede ser una carretera comarcal, nacional, etc Sólo indica unas características de trazado y diseño. No es necesario que tenga tres carriles. Y la limitación a 100 km / h se explica porque estas vías rápidas están dotadas de arcenes pavimentados de más de 1.5 m de anchura.
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Una vía rápida puede ser una carretera comarcal, nacional, etc Sólo indica unas características de trazado y diseño. No es necesario que tenga tres carriles. Y la limitación a 100 km / h se explica porque estas vías rápidas están dotadas de arcenes pavimentados de más de 1.5 m de anchura.
Lo que a mí me enseñaron en la autoescuela hace unos años era que tenían que tener 1.5 metros de arcén pavimentado o 3 carriles (no tenían por qué cumplir las dos). No sé si habrán cambiado las reglas pero recuerdo que la profesora había hecho bastante hincapié en ello.

De todos modos me parece raro que cumplan las caracteríticas de autopista salvo el carecer de 2 calzadas. Conozco un par de vías rápidas en Asturias que por el peralte y el trazado de las curvas me parece imposible que las cumplan.

To the rest of the forum: Sorry for talking in Spanish. We are discussing about the exact definition of Vía Rapida nowadays.
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