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Old January 2nd, 2012, 06:17 PM   #2601
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That would put Spain maybe even at the top spot for European traffic safety.

I don't think we can consider these numbers to be final though. Usually final numbers aren't reported until February or even April.
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 06:41 PM   #2602
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 08:37 PM   #2603
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1,479 people died on the Spanish roads in 2011. The lowest number in 50 years.

Year | Deaths

1992: 5,035
1993: 4,653
1994: 4,026
1995: 4,220
1996: 3,998
1997: 4,034
1998: 4,289
1999: 4,280
2000: 4,295
2002: 4,026
2003: 4,029
2004: 3,511
2005: 3,332
2006: 3,017
2007: 2,742
2008: 2,181
2009: 1,903
2010: 1,730
2011: 1,479


Source: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20120102...o/486685.shtml
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That would put Spain maybe even at the top spot for European traffic safety.
Italian figuers are a bit higher: 2185 deaths in 2011, although you have to remember that Italian population is also higher:

Spain: 1479/47.000.000 = 3.14 deaths per 100.000 inh;
Italy: 2185/61.000.000 = 3.58 deaths per 100.000 inh.

A bit higher but comparable.
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 08:41 PM   #2604
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According to eurostat the 2010 death rate in Italy was 66 per million, or 6.6 per 100.000 inhabitants. I remember from last year that the definitive road toll in Italy was significantly higher than reported in January.

Which is why one should use caution with preliminary figures like these. As far as I know an "official traffic fatality" may be someone who dies 30 days after the accident, so putting out numbers on January 1st or 2nd or even 15th seems premature. Another issue is that reported numbers often only include (sometimes poorly registered) data of the highway police.
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 11:01 PM   #2605
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Which is why one should use caution with preliminary figures like these. As far as I know an "official traffic fatality" may be someone who dies 30 days after the accident, so putting out numbers on January 1st or 2nd or even 15th seems premature.
There is no way they can affect total death toll significantly.

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Another issue is that reported numbers often only include (sometimes poorly registered) data of the highway police.
This can be significant.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 01:16 AM   #2606
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That would put Spain maybe even at the top spot for European traffic safety.

I don't think we can consider these numbers to be final though. Usually final numbers aren't reported until February or even April.


There is too much to do anywhere, but the real scene is that it is the first time with less than 1500 death/year in 50 years!!!!!!!!!!!

One thing very important (and we have a very great unstandarization with other countries) is that only are counted people who dies in the accident. Should a person gets injured and dies in the hospital is not considered in those statistics. So it is impossible to compare.

En july 2006 the "points driving licence" started going on... and as you can see, death on road went down quickly.

It is calculated that cars run 8 km/h less after starting the "points driving licence".
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 08:30 PM   #2607
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There is no way they can affect total death toll significantly.
Yes, it is significant. Taking 2008 as an example:
deaths 24 hours, roads only (non-urban): 2181
deaths 30 days, roads only: 2466
deaths 30 days, roads and urban areas: 3100

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Old January 3rd, 2012, 08:50 PM   #2608
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En july 2006 the "points driving licence" started going on... and as you can see, death on road went down quickly.

It is calculated that cars run 8 km/h less after starting the "points driving licence".
Well, there is a significant decrease between 2003 and 2004 not explained by this theory, and the biggest decrease (2007-2008) is concurrent with other possible causes: dramatic increase in oil prices, Euribor going up and many people having to choose between continuing to pay the car loan or the mortgage...
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Old January 4th, 2012, 12:22 AM   #2609
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Taken from Spanish forum.

It is in Spanish. I translate:

In Bold, death on accidents on road (in thousands)

Between brackets, accidents per million cars

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Old January 4th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #2610
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Are any projects in risk of being cancelled or are already delayed or scaled down because of the current fiscal problems in Spain?
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Old January 4th, 2012, 12:59 AM   #2611
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No new cancels are stimated. We had a very strong cancelling one and a half year ago. Some of them have been taken again... and they are just making new motorways with a normal rithm (not so strong as before crisis).

We can see data of new motorways in 2010 and 2011 and notice that new projects go on but slowly.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #2612
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Yes, it is significant. Taking 2008 as an example:
deaths 24 hours, roads only (non-urban): 2181
deaths 30 days, roads only: 2466
deaths 30 days, roads and urban areas: 3100

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http://www.dgt.es/portal/es/seguridad_vial/estadistica/
That's considering a whole year. If you consider only 1 month, it's 1/12th of 300, i.e. 25 people, so not significant at all.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 07:35 PM   #2613
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I am not seeing any pickup in tender advertisements yet, though. Fomento advertised three contracts last July (of which two were obras de terminación for contracts which Fomento had advertised and awarded before 2008 but suspended), but nothing since then. SEITT has advertised nothing except a few small rail projects.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 08:29 PM   #2614
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That's considering a whole year. If you consider only 1 month, it's 1/12th of 300, i.e. 25 people, so not significant at all.
OK, now I understand your point, but that would be the case if the numbers given at January 1st were deaths after 30 days, in which case I suspect the authority providing the data would wait until February anyway, for reasons of consistency.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #2615
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Old January 15th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #2616
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Maybe a result of the economic situation. That was also a reason for the increase in Germany 2011. ~48 per million against 32 in Spain is now a big difference.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #2617
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The amount of fatalities in relation to the amount of registered vehicles is a weird way to measure traffic fatalities anyway.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 12:33 AM   #2618
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There are too many topics to take a view:

- First phase of highways were opened in 1991-1992. That year does not appear on chart (only 1989 when maximum) but since then the number started to decrease. They are those highways we have talked that have been refurbished. The first ones that currently are awful... but they made a decrease on accidents. They could be worst... but they were two lanes.

- In july 2006 the points driving licence started. Several fines could make you to lose your licence and have to ask for a new one. People drive later more carefully

- All cars (not only in Spain but at all the world) have longer security systems.
I compare sometimes some security facilities and I remember when going with no seat belts on back seats, when no special chairs for babies, no airbags, etc...
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Old January 16th, 2012, 11:18 AM   #2619
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1,479 people died on the Spanish roads in 2011. The lowest number in 50 years.

Year | Deaths

1992: 5,035
1993: 4,653
1994: 4,026
1995: 4,220
1996: 3,998
1997: 4,034
1998: 4,289
1999: 4,280
2000: 4,295
2002: 4,026
2003: 4,029
2004: 3,511
2005: 3,332
2006: 3,017
2007: 2,742
2008: 2,181
2009: 1,903
2010: 1,730
2011: 1,479


Source: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20120102...o/486685.shtml
No matter if the final statistics proves to be slightly worse, the improvement, particularly over the past 4-5 years is quite incredible. Any ideas why? Spanish roads or drivers haven't changed that much since 2007, I take it, and this is the kind of reduction of fatalities only seen elsewhere with the introduction of seat belt laws... Edit: I saw alserrods comment on points on the licence. Did that also include more active police patrolling?
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Old January 16th, 2012, 12:27 PM   #2620
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Until July 2006 you drove 175 km/h on a motorway and had a huge fine but not anything more. Only if driving over 180 km/h will mean to have retired about two months driving licence... but after that time you could start driving again with no restriction.

Since July 2006, driving 175 km/h (as an example) means 6 points less (out of 12) in your driving licence.
Should you are catched twice in that speed... you really lose your licence. It is finnally cancelled and you have to ask for a new one. They are different exams... but you have to wait several months before starting to ask for a new licence and later you have to pass new exams (as a 18 years old teenager who wants to have his driving licence).

If you drive with your licence retired because no points and you are catched (in a control or just, someone hits your car and policemen ask for documentation...) you go directly to jail with no questions.


It is the major example... but driving with alcohol is fined as well in points (and very strongly).

It seems that people didn't care to pay a fine but do not want to lose their licence.

You start with 8 points and every three years with no fines you will increase two more (up to 15 as maximum).

In july 2006, they made that all current drivers started with 12 points. No fines and I got 2 more in 2009. Should I keep with no fines, I will arrive to 15 points in july (maximum).

But it is a system where it is very easy to lose points (if no respect to signals or law) and very difficult to increase your points.
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