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Old September 4th, 2012, 05:32 PM   #3061
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I guess you fall in the % of Spanish citizens that live far from everything then

I'm just at the border between having good transportation options and being completely isolated. Look at the people living here, for example. There are lots of residential developments like this, far from any reasonable bus or train route.

Better urban planning would have spared us this, but looks like every mountain had to be covered with houses and streets, no matter how steep it was.
Yeah… I live far from everything.

Aslo sometimes in summer the traffic is horrible in the main road, so a common yourney from my home to somewhere is 20~30 in summer is 10' more due traffic.

This road has a lot of traffic: more than 15000 vehicles per day[/B] acording to the local newspaper, even more in Late June to early September, and no plans to build an expressway (an autovia) or even a new 1+1 road.

In fact (the CV-865) looks sometimes more like an street than an highway:



The maximun speed is 90km/h.



Those kerbs had been the responsible of make even worse any accident during 20 years until last summer the G. Valencia started to began to remove them from the road . I still remember the flying burning car…



This is the most dangerous roundabout where you could be. In the last years the signs did not allow you to see the road.

There isn't another road like this one in all spain, I'm sure.

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Old September 4th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #3062
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6.000 vehicles per day doesn't really require an expressway.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #3063
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Sorry… 15.700
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Old September 4th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #3064
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I feel these public transportation vs car numbers are skewed. Public transportation here in Basel area is used heavily. I take a train (20 min) + bus (5 min) every day to work. Takes me about 40 min door to door. I would gain about 10-15 min by using a car on average day (lose half an hour on Friday evenings), but then I would have to concentrate on driving instead of reading a book, listening to music or chatting with co-workers living in the same direction.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #3065
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I think it is improper to compare trip modal share instead of passenger-km modal share if you want to compare and discuss mode substitution. Reason is simple: if you want to take people from A to B, you need infrastructure more or less along some corridor(s) connecting both places, for a distance not shorter than a straight like as the crow flies.

Moreover, walking or cycling can rarely be a replacement for any trip above 2 or 5km, no matter how well designed and abundant are sidewalks and bike paths.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 10:22 PM   #3066
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Take a look to N-II.

Yesterday morning there was a 125 truck queue driving there...
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Old September 4th, 2012, 10:23 PM   #3067
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N-II may have the highest truck share of any major road in Europe.

Check it out: 71% of the traffic on N-II are trucks.


In absolute numbers, N-II carries about 5 times more trucks than the motorway AP-2.

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Old September 4th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #3068
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N-232 too... and they are close one to other
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Old September 5th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #3069
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Yeah… I live far from everything.

Aslo sometimes in summer the traffic is horrible in the main road, so a common yourney from my home to somewhere is 20~30 in summer is 10' more due traffic.

This road has a lot of traffic: more than 15000 vehicles per day[/B] acording to the local newspaper, even more in Late June to early September, and no plans to build an expressway (an autovia) or even a new 1+1 road.

In fact (the CV-865) looks sometimes more like an street than an highway:


The maximun speed is 90km/h.


Those kerbs had been the responsible of make even worse any accident during 20 years until last summer the G. Valencia started to began to remove them from the road . I still remember the flying burning car…


This is the most dangerous roundabout where you could be. In the last years the signs did not allow you to see the road.

There isn't another road like this one in all spain, I'm sure.
I think I read they wanted to build a bus-only road next to it.

I also think there was a similar plan somewhere near Valencia, maybe between the city itself and El Saler, but I may be wrong.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 04:41 PM   #3070
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A video of C-32 between Barcelona (Ronda de Dalt) and Castelldefels. It's a very busy road (90,000 vpd) and features 3 lanes for most of the way.

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Old September 5th, 2012, 04:54 PM   #3071
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The C-32 was A-17, right…?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #3072
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No, C-32 was A-16 in Southern part and A-19 in Northern part. A-17 is C-33 now. I want to know where kmpost 0 of C-33 is... .
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Old September 5th, 2012, 05:59 PM   #3073
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No, C-32 was A-16 in Southern part and A-19 in Northern part. A-17 is C-33 now. I want to know where kmpost 0 of C-33 is... .
Yeah, me too. I don't know how this road is kilometred.

Former A-17 started in downtown Barcelona. Back in the days it dove deeper into the city, and in current Avinguda Meridiana you can still see A-17 kilometer posts. Funny because today it's no motorway, just a 50 km/h city street with pedestrian crossings and at-grade intersections (not to mention that the numbering system changed a decade ago). It was not always like that; some 15 years ago it had pedestrian bridges and intersecting streets were tunneled below the motorway, which started at Fabra i Puig.

Actually there were no pedestrian crossings at all in Avinguda Meridiana, though intersections on its non-motorway part were at-grade. This was a real nuisance, and from the '90s on pedestrian bridges started to be replaced by crossings.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:46 AM   #3074
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Many road works actually on the N1 between Burgos and Miranda de Ebro.
I don't know the AADT for this road with a lot of trucks. But I am like them, I prefer to avoid the toll of the AP1, the time lost is not important between both.
Does somebody know when the road will be ready in 2+2 ?
Because all is provided for.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:57 AM   #3075
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Does somebody know when the road will be ready in 2+2 ?
I hope never, for Spain's finances...
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That's the main problem with these toll roads. Trucks massively evade the tolls, leading to very high truck volumes on roads that are not designed for it.

In some countries they would enforce a ban on through trucks like in Germany.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #3077
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In some countries they would enforce a ban on through trucks like in Germany.
Which isn't a bad idea (then we may discuss on the level of tolls).
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Old September 6th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #3078
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That's the main problem with these toll roads. Trucks massively evade the tolls, leading to very high truck volumes on roads that are not designed for it.

In some countries they would enforce a ban on through trucks like in Germany.
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Which isn't a bad idea (then we may discuss on the level of tolls).
Yeah… I'm pretty sure every spanish truck driver has enough money for pay toll and also eat, maintain their family and also, the mortgage.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 01:59 PM   #3079
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Many road works actually on the N-I between Burgos and Miranda de Ebro.
I don't know the AADT for this road with a lot of trucks. But I am like them, I prefer to avoid the toll of the AP1, the time lost is not important between both.
Does somebody know when the road will be ready in 2+2 ?
Because all is provided for.
In national roads radial Roman numerals are used (in the case of road sections which are conventional)

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That's the main problem with these toll roads. Trucks massively evade the tolls, leading to very high truck volumes on roads that are not designed for it.

In some countries they would enforce a ban on through trucks like in Germany.
No, this sections was doing for this type of traffic. There lanes 3.5 m wide, and 2 meters shoulders. It is true that may be obsolete designs, especially at intersections or sections with areas of low visibility. But they are fulfilling the purpose for which they were design.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #3080
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No, this sections was doing for this type of traffic. There lanes 3.5 m wide, and 2 meters shoulders. It is true that may be obsolete designs, especially at intersections or sections with areas of low visibility. But they are fulfilling the purpose for which they were design.
I guess he is refering to traffic volumes. These roads were sure designed for trucks and other heavy traffic, but not for current truck traffic volumes. There are just too high.

Anyway it would be nonsense to widen this road. There is a motorway next to it.
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