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Old September 7th, 2012, 09:54 PM   #3101
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If I’m not wrong, concession contract of AP-68 will expire on November 10th, 2026. In the case of AP-1, current expiration date is November 31st, 2018. Anyway, we don’t know what will happen afterwards. I’m afraid that toll on these routes will not be removed. Please look at the case of A-8 between Bilbao and Behovia.

Thanks for correction.

Can the AP-2 be the motorway that contract ends on 2021?
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Old September 8th, 2012, 01:39 PM   #3102
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Yes, you are right, all old Acesa’s contracts expire on August 31st, 2021.

And, some news about automatic toll lanes. As toll income is going down, most of the staffed toll booths on AP-7 motorway between San Juan and Tarragona will be replaced by automatic collection machines. 91 people will be made redundant.

http://www.laverdad.es/alicante/v/20...-20120708.html
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Old September 8th, 2012, 01:48 PM   #3103
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Albertis is a evil company*, so, not surprised.

*if you don't believe me this company has the monopoly of the tolled motorways and the monopoly of the Digital TV (DVB-T)…

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Old September 8th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #3104
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Yes. Abertis also has a telecommunication business area and operates some airports.

http://www.abertis.com/telecommunica...ang/en/idm/339

Anyway, I'm not sure if it is better or worse than other companies. In fact, I would like to know a not-evil company.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #3105
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NEWS:

The R-3 & R-5 Motorways are oficially on bankruptcy.

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Las autopistas R-3 y R-5 solicitan 'preconcurso' de acreedores con una deuda de 666 millones
Fuente: http://noticias.lainformacion.com/ec...BrFO22nwYt0r7/
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Old September 8th, 2012, 07:59 PM   #3106
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You can't complain about the current network though.

Only the remaining missing links of A-7 in Andalucía, A-8 along the north coast and A-66 are really important for the completion of the national network if you ask me. Routes like A-11, A-12 and A-15 are nice, but more of a luxury.
True.

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From my point of view there are some roads with a mountain pass, difficult streches or crossing important towns and...instead of working in a new road strech there for several kilometres and keeping 100 km/h with the current traffic, they have work on a motorway almost always!!
Yeah well, 90 km/h from January 2013.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #3107
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Some pictures of A-4, from CM-42 to A-43:

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A-4 01 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 02 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 03 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 04 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 05 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 06 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 07 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 08 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 09 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 10 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 11 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 12 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 13 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 14 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 15 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 16 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 17 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 18 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 19 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 20 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 21 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 22 by Vignole, on Flickr
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Old September 8th, 2012, 09:10 PM   #3108
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Ah, the (in)famous concrete.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 03:04 PM   #3109
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What the hell…

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A-4 20 by Vignole, on Flickr

Exit to another Motorway, signposted as normal road (White) and the exit sing is for Motorway (Blue).

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A-4 22 by Vignole, on Flickr

Left in Highway Gothic, right in the ugly Spanish version of Traffic.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #3110
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So wrong...
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Old September 9th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #3111
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Some pictures of A-4, from CM-42 to A-43:

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A-4 06 by Vignole, on Flickr

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these are from the new alignment/refurbishing of the A4 in "Puerto Lapice". I wonder why we have payed to get the new motorway with the old speed limits (and of course the same speed trap)
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Old September 9th, 2012, 10:54 PM   #3112
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I was for two years there and know very well Manzanares exits. Some of them were dangerouse because they used as much old N-IV.

A-43 was on works (part open then) and the exit is on a new exit a little north from the town.

Manzanares had three exits and were correctly located according to the strech and the town.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #3113
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A-4 06 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-4 08 by Vignole, on Flickr
WHAAAAT??? They have downgraded N-420 in Castile La Mancha??? So now it seems to exist two N-420s. Now it's time to get ride of that weird national route by extending A-222 to Teruel and rerouting N-211 to Tarragona.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:14 AM   #3114
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Have traspassed to CLM government and changed the number there.
Characteristics are the same
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Old September 10th, 2012, 03:15 PM   #3115
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Orange, green and yellow (and sometimes blue for autonomic motorways) means that the road is part of the secondary network (regional/autonomic importance).

Orange is the first level of importance (the most important in a regional level). The prefix indicates the autonomy.
Green is second level (usually important ontly at district level). The prefix indicates the autonomy or the province.
Yellow is third level (local level). The prefix indicates the autonomy, province or town.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #3116
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Only three colors

This is not Spain.

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Old September 10th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #3117
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Magenta are used for local roads.


Apart of that... all roads at Basque country and Navarra (except the tolled motorway AP-68 but including AP-8 and AP-15 respectively) are managed by regional governments.

All roads at Canary and Balearic islands are managed not by regional governments but from local island governments (and they appear on red)

A few national roads in Catalonia where passed to regional govenment. Numbering there of main regional network is in red with C-XX only

And in other regions there are all kind of cases. The biggest could be the N-420 at Castilla La Mancha, but for instance, in Aragón, some kilometres of N-125 where passed to regional government where a very big industrial area was built in the middle of the road.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 04:55 PM   #3118
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Now I have a headache....
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Old September 10th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #3119
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Yeah... it is to have it because no standarization.

My propose:

National network in red with one, two or three digits.
Let's use N-X for the six existing roads and N-XX for the main axes "corner to corner"
coloured in red

Regional network
AA-XX where AA = region (let's avoid A for Aragon and Andalucia together, apart of "Motorway", but Asturias = AS). XX... I think enough with two digits is enough
coloured in orange

apart... AA-XX in green and yellow for the third and fourth level of roads (does not seem to need three digits... maybe the yellow ones).

Motorways in blue, in any case.


As an example, Catalonia has a very good system for numeration C-XX and could be copied anywhere.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #3120
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I've seen roads with its number in grey! And even crazier, rural roads signed in an astounding blue, like if they were motorways! .

Besides that, if a gravel road gets "repaved" (I don't think repaved is correct since gravel roads are not paved) we call it a "motorway". Like it happened recently East of Huesca.
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