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Old September 17th, 2012, 07:19 PM   #3161
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8. after another 4+4 section we are approaching this bottleneck. left exit in combination of only 2 lanes at AP7. thie is actually the place where the last city motorway of Barcelona joins the AP7 near F1 circuit.


9. and at the other side of F1 circuit at Granollers we are approaching huge toll station, secon largest in Europe as far as I know


10. cool HSR bridge near Llinars del Valles. last time when I was there few years ago it was u/c.


11. we took exit Hostalric. what font is this? arial?! i haven't noticed it in Spain sooner.


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13. toll station at exit Hostalric. 5,75€, no discount for via-T. brrrrr.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #3162
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Trip from Alicante to Madrid. A-31

Well… some pics of today… from A-70, then A-31, and finally E-901 A-3. Tomorrow more photos… M-30 Tunnels…














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Old September 17th, 2012, 07:43 PM   #3163
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few photos made 2 weeks ago on my catalan trip i only took some photos between barcelona and Girona.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #3164
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btw, i have noticed one not so logic thing: why is there written França/Francia - Girona, instead of França/Francia - Girona/Gerona?!
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #3165
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btw, i have noticed one not so logic thing: why is there written França/Francia - Girona, instead of França/Francia - Girona/Gerona?!
Catalonia.


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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #3166
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Because "Gerona" is not official.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #3167
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It's not official…? I have no idea… :/
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:06 PM   #3168
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btw, i have noticed one not so logic thing: why is there written França/Francia - Girona, instead of França/Francia - Girona/Gerona?!


They SHOULDN'T write França/Francia but Perpignan/Montpellier.

In Spain, at least in roads depending of Spanish government they will write always the official name. This is why they say Girona (the only official name) and being at Catalonia they say Zaragoza (in Catalan different name, but being an Aragonese city, it is the official name)

Barcelona and Tarragona have the same name in both languages
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:08 PM   #3169
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I agree, Perpignan and Montpellier would be better.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:19 PM   #3170
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Zwolle would be even better.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #3171
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Because "Gerona" is not official.
why? isn't Catalunya bilingual area, so they should use both castillian and catalan term? at last, why they use both castillian and catalan term for France?

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They SHOULDN'T write França/Francia but Perpignan/Montpellier.
or Perpinya/Montpeller?
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #3172
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why? isn't Catalunya bilingual area, so they should use both castillian and catalan term? at last, why they use both castillian and catalan term for France?


They are things that... better do not ask because no answer.

In my city, outside Catalonia, we have marked Lleida, instead of Lerida (we do not speak Catalan) or Lerida/Lleida.

In roads depending of Spanish government (and in almost Catalan government) you will see only Zaragoza instead of Zaragoza/Saragossa.

At least they write one only name, the official one, that ones that appears in all GPS never minds the language and in all maps, so easy to find it.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:33 PM   #3173
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I want Chinese signing 韦斯卡 Huesca on the G6 Jingzang expressway leaving Beijing .
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Old September 18th, 2012, 01:16 AM   #3174
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Almost every traffic signal usually shows the official name there are few exceptions:

- For countries (this in fact only applies to France haha, you can see it written in Spanish, French, Catalan or Basque)
- In some catalan government-dependent roads... (the Saragossa issue).
- In Euskadi, they usually have 2 official names, the basque and the spanish, and both are signaled.
- Some signals in arabic in the routes to Morocco.

For example near the border with Portugal, the Portuguese names are written in Portuguese instead of Spanish.


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Sorry, I meant Madrid... it was a short note because I found it shocking but after reading it I realized that I had to leave at that moment to arrive today to Madrid hahaha
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Old September 18th, 2012, 01:26 AM   #3175
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They are things that... better do not ask because no answer.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 10:55 AM   #3176
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Here you have a quote of what says the Spanish "Norma 8.1-IC Señalización vertical"

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En Comunidades Autónomas que tuvieran idioma oficial distinto del Castellano, se atendrán los nombres a lo siguiente:

a. Nombres propios (poblaciones, provincias, Comunidades Autónomas, puntos característicos):

Se escribirá únicamente el topónimo oficial.
And the example given by this "Norma":



Source: http://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2000-01-2...4049-04106.pdf
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Old September 18th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #3177
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Pics of another shadow-tolled motorway of regional government of Castile-La Mancha. It's CM-45 or "Autovía del IV Centenario":

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Old September 18th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #3178
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Fourth centenary of what?

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Here you have a quote of what says the Spanish "Norma 8.1-IC Señalización vertical"



And the example given by this "Norma":



Source: http://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2000-01-2...4049-04106.pdf
Bueno.

Galicia is another region where only the local language is official for place names, right?
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Fourth centenary of what?

Of the book Don Quijote de la Mancha written by Cervantes and considered the best book in Spanish Literature.

In the book the author never says any real town or site and only talks about that area.
Some tesis set several towns or sites of the book according to descriptions, but it is only a theory.

Cervantes was born at Alcala de Henares (A-2, 25 km ahead Madrid) but it is know that two first chapters of that book were written at Argamasilla de Alba, very close to that motorway, in 1605.

That is why in 2005 they celebrated the 4th centenary.


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Galicia is another region where only the local language is official for place names, right?
Galicia has place names only in Galician, Asturias has bilingual system and you can find both names. Basque country has bilingual system and you can bet if you will find the signal in Spanish, in Basque or bilingual (and sometimes they are absolutely different names).
Navarra has bilingual signals only in areas (50% north, including the capital) where Basque is spoken.
Aragon has a law to develop it. I have seen only few, few, few signals in Aragonese
Catalonia, Balearic Islands and Comunitat Valenciana have place names in Catalan (/Valencian...)
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Old September 18th, 2012, 03:47 PM   #3180
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Of the book Don Quijote de la Mancha written by Cervantes and considered the best book in Spanish Literature.

In the book the author never says any real town or site and only talks about that area.
Some tesis set several towns or sites of the book according to descriptions, but it is only a theory.

Cervantes was born at Alcala de Henares (A-2, 25 km ahead Madrid) but it is know that two first chapters of that book were written at Argamasilla de Alba, very close to that motorway, in 1605.

That is why in 2005 they celebrated the 4th centenary.

There are a lot of real places in El Quijote. Big cities like Zaragoza, Barcelona, or smaller towns like El Toboso, where Dulcinea comes from.
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