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Old October 5th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #3261
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A-40 will most likely not be extended to Teruel. Too little traffic to justify such an investment. Plus, there's no money to start new projects. It would be way more useful to close the gap between Toledo and Ocaña, as it would provide a Madrid bypass for traffic going from the Mediterranean coast to Portugal, which was exactly what A-40 was intended for.

As for A-8, Unquera-Llanes will open in 2014. In Solares-Torrelavega works will restart soon; completion is expected in 2015 or 2016. I don't think it's an urgent investment, given that S-30 now bypasses Santander bay avoiding S-10.
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Old October 5th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #3262
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N-330 Cuenca - Teruel currently (2011) handles only 1.400 vehicles per day.

AP-41 carries only 957 vehicles per day on average (southern section)....
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Old October 6th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #3263
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N-330 Cuenca - Teruel currently (2011) handles only 1.400 vehicles per day.

AP-41 carries only 957 vehicles per day on average (southern section)....

Some routes in Spain are awful and people prefer to make longer journeys but better road or motorway.

There are some corridors that should they have a better road or motorway will get cars from paralel ones. No enlargement 3x3 in other ones will be required in that cases.


Teruel is the smallest province capital and located in the middle of nothing
Cuenca is one of the smallest too.
And today... the best way to go Teruel-Madrid, for instance is A-23, N-211 and A-2
I'd hazard a guess that Teruel-Cuenca would be a good option for Teruel-Madrid but there is no interest in building it.
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Old October 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #3264
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Current N-420/N-330 is not a bad road. It has some twisty sections that could be improved, but a good single-carriageway road is all what that corridor needs.
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Old October 6th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #3265
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Well, as Spain is different, eight years before the deadline of the previous ‘strategic’ plan (PEIT 2005-2020), we have the interim document of a new transportation plan (PITVI 2012-2024), which includes a new motorway between Cuenca and Teruel ¡as a part of the TEN-T network!.



In this case, European Union could support works on this highway using funds from the TEN-T programme. Anyway, the ministry of Public Works will have to look for a new corridor for this road, as the first one was rejected in accordance with environmental requirements.

Anyway, I’m not sure if PITVI 2012-2024 is a reliable plan, as it’s not clear that Spanish Governmente will be able to raise funds to carry out all these works. In fact, the Plan takes into account three different economical backgrounds. If you want to learn more about PITVI 2012-2024, please follow this link.

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Old October 6th, 2012, 03:05 PM   #3266
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Current N-420/N-330 is not a bad road. It has some twisty sections that could be improved, but a good single-carriageway road is all what that corridor needs.
Take a random point of Street view in the N-330 in the first 34 km. southern Teruel (31 in Aragon and 3 in comunitat Valenciana) and think again about it......
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Old October 6th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #3267
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Well, as Spain is different, eight years before the deadline of the previous ‘strategic’ plan (PEIT 2005-2020), we have the interim document of a new transportation plan (PITVI 2012-2024), which includes a new motorway between Cuenca and Teruel ¡as a part of the TEN-T network!.



In this case, European Union could support works on this highway using funds from the TEN-T programme. Anyway, the ministry of Public Works will have to look for a new corridor for this road, as the first one was rejected in accordance with environmental requirements.

Anyway, I’m not sure if PITVI 2012-2024 is a reliable plan, as it’s not clear that Spanish Governmente will be able to raise funds to carry out all these works. In fact, the Plan takes into account three different economical backgrounds. If you want to learn more about PITVI 2012-2024, please follow this link.

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That's plain wacky planning. There's even a motorway from Figueres to Puigcerdà! And an A-68 parallel to AP-68. I don't honestly think there is someone who believes that this network will be a reality in 2025. Not even in 2050. It's just madness. Like playing SimCity4 with cheat codes.

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Take a random point of Street view in the N-330 in the first 34 km. southern Teruel (31 in Aragon and 3 in comunitat Valenciana) and think again about it......
I know, that's what I said this route deserves to be a high-quality single carriageway road, but no motorways.
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Old October 6th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #3268
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And while they are thinking what to do... nothing was done in the last 20 years... just with several projects on a desk
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Old October 6th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #3269
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Of course, It´s easier and cheaper drawing lines on a map than working on roads. Yes, there are some odd things in this plan, like free motorways parallel to toll motorways which contract expires before the deadline of the plan. Some of these new highways could not be justified by local traffic.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #3270
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Some media are trying to convince people that those parallel free motorways are the only solution, while the true solution is to stop the business on motorways. When I read "desdoblamiento ya" I only see demagogy.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 12:27 PM   #3271
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Current economic policies are going towards more tolled roads instead of toll-free ones. So I don't think a solution for the situation going on in AP-68/N-232 corridor is likely to happen in the near future.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 12:51 PM   #3272
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I'm pretty sure the problem is... there is no solution planned
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Old October 8th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #3273
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I'm pretty sure the problem is... there is no solution planned


"We are planning the best solution for this problem"
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Old October 9th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #3274
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The only problem is that these companies are supported by politicians because they pay their campaigns. They are happy with the situation nowadays: full pockets and graveyards.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 10:40 AM   #3275
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Some of these politicians have given several explanations about why keeping for the times the toll and it is because no concurrence. Every one to pay there...
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Old October 9th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #3276
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It's much more expensive to take over the toll operator's debt and buy out their contract than to build a new parallel autovía at 3 - 6 million per km...
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Old October 9th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #3277
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Depending of time pending to end the contract...

Other times government has focused on a strech and has asked for a special fares or free journeys there enlarging the contract to the other streches of the motorway...
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Old October 11th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #3278
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hi !

could anyone tell me when the Autopista A-7 between Motril and La Rabitec will be open ?

Did you know a link for more informations (englisch ?!?).

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Old October 11th, 2012, 03:17 PM   #3279
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Most stretches around Motril will open between 2013 and 2014, according to Wikipedia.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #3280
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thanks !

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