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Old January 17th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #3461
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Fortunately maintenance on most toll motorways is obsessive.
They're so obsessed that the government wants to raise the speed limit to 140 km/h in toll motorways. They must help these entreprises, poor creatures, forgotten chums of politicians.

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What is about those Arguis fried eggs?
There is a place in Arguis called "Merendero Lafoz" very famous for its fried eggs. I have been there twice, but none of them at fried eggs hours. The last time I had reached following this route: Jaca > Anzánigo > Rasal > Arguis. When I said it people didn't believe it.

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There is a bar located on the side of the old C-136 (It became N-330 for a short time before the new alignement, i.e. one of A-23 carriageways, opened), still popular even if the E07 hasn't been there for 20 years now: https://maps.google.es/maps?hl=es&ll...,296.32,,0,2.9.
If you turn inside the photo you'll see a signal that marks it as N-330, but I prefer to call it C-136. It's a road for melancholy.

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There are some old bars and restaurants besides the roads that remains despite those huge roadside areas. They are pretty nice and food is usually better (and cheaper) than in main areas..
Another recommendation: "Hotel Monrepós", at the Arascués exit in A-23. And "Hotel Fetra" in Yéqueda, at Huesca Norte / Yéqueda exit in A-23.

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Is it better to travel from Madrid, Zaragoza and Huesca to Torla and Ordesa national park via Fiscal instead of via Biescas?
It's said that it's even shorter. The section Fiscal / Balupor is still narrow and full of curves, but the rest of the road is OK.

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Has that narrow A-1604 road become virtually a touristic drive only with few cars (N330 - Boltaña)?
I think it was so even before the works started. If you went from Jaca, Sabi, Biescas... you drove through Cotefablo. If you went from Huesca, Zaragoza... you went through Barbastro and Aínsa.

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I've been driven only once there, in August and found only two or three cars.
It's easier to find cows and toads than to find cars. And I have driven it three times.

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What about this old, poorly maintained road http://goo.gl/maps/awpWd
Is it allowed to drive it? Please I must know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What's the viaduct in the background here? Do you have a map of the carriageways and roads on that pass? As I understand from OpenStreetMaps, the two carriageways will follow different paths (one being the existing N-330).
This is the old (and beautiful) bridge over Flumen river. It's a part of C-136.



The dark spot you can see above the tunnel being built is the Tunnel of Manzaneda. That part of C-136 is closed, but you can go from Arguis to the other mouth of that tunnel (which is closed) and there's connection to another road and space to turn the car.
Today the tunnel being built is open and the other one temporarily closed, and where the trucks are now there is a bridge similar to the other one, but ugly.

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Today, 10 years ago, Somport tunnel was opened in the E-07. It is a 8,1 km tunnel under the Pyrenees. The longest road tunnel in Spain and... is it the longest no-tolled tunnel?
Don't say it too loud... the last thing we need is a toll in Somport. Anyway, I prefer the old road. I hate tunnels.

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Look at the signals...
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Old January 17th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #3462
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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #3463
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The first signal indicates a racing circuit, and the second one warns of a speed radar.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #3464
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Old January 17th, 2013, 11:41 PM   #3465
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Why it's yellow?
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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #3466
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ah ok! There is a racetrack near highway, Monteblanco.

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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:24 AM   #3467
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I saw a similar sign near Jerez de la Frontera, I think on A381.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #3468
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I saw a similar sign near Jerez de la Frontera, I think on A381.
If I'm not wrong that is an official speed circuit.

Among all year competitions, main of them is the motorbike Grand Prix of Spain.


By the way, near Malaga there is another circuit. As far as I know, it is a private club where members pay an annual fee and can use it for their cars with insurance included.
There are some members with speedy cars that and they prefer to keep them there only. No use on public roads.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:01 PM   #3469
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Many carreteras nacionales are well-suited for 100 km/h, with a straight alignment, wide carriageway and sufficient visibility. Reducing them to 90 or even 80 km/h is plain stupid. However I can understand lowering the speed limit on less well-built roads.
It is stupid indeed. Some parts of Spain, like Galicia, have a huge network of grade-separated two-lane roads that are designed with project speeds of 100 km/h which would also be downgraded to 90. Same for dual-carriageway roads, because when they say "carreteras secundarias" they mean all non-motorway (autovía/autopista) roads. Roads that get 100 km/h signs are designed to cope with these speeds, and in sections that are not suitable for them, there are lower speed limits.

Maybe they think all of Spain is like Madrid where there's no point 5 km farther from a freeway. In some parts of the country you must drive 100+ km on carreteras convencionales to get to your destination. Lowering the speed limit would just be nonsense, as many would disobey it and overtaking maneouvres would increase, thus boosting the risk of head-on collisions.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:09 PM   #3470
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By the way, near Malaga there is another circuit. As far as I know, it is a private club where members pay an annual fee and can use it for their cars with insurance included.
There are some members with speedy cars that and they prefer to keep them there only. No use on public roads.
Near Malaga I only recall stupid "Costa del Golf" signs...
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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #3471
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Near Malaga I only recall stupid "Costa del Golf" signs...
As far as I know, in Marbella municipality there are 18.

And be sure it is not the place of Spain with more water...
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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:25 PM   #3472
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One thing that stuck me when I was there was how ugly Costa del Golf/Sol is compared to wild and beautiful Costa de la Luz. Two completely different worlds separated by few km.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 12:59 PM   #3473
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Near Malaga I only recall stupid "Costa del Golf" signs...
Is this signs?

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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #3474
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Mijas? I have to counter-attack : http://goo.gl/maps/oyhtv.
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I think they need to create a separate road category for 1+1 expressways, with 100 or 110 speed limit, but not overtaking whatsoever. They can even put plastic boards on the central dividing line.
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Why it's yellow?
In Spain, yellow signs indicate that the road has works on it.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #3477
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Is this signs?
Yes, but if I'm not mistaken there are also some signs with a stylized golfer, or something like that.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #3478
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I think they need to create a separate road category for 1+1 expressways, with 100 or 110 speed limit, but not overtaking whatsoever. They can even put plastic boards on the central dividing line.
There was one indeed. It was called "Vía rápida", but it was scrapped in 2001. Some "vía rápida" signs could be seen in C-25 as late as in 2009, before its conversion to full autovía standards. They were green, like all other directional signage. There may still be some left in former Galician vías rápidas, and some border speed limit signs may still display this category.

At some point someone decided that the term promoted speeding (rápida = fast), so it was somehow replaced by vía para automóviles. But vía para automóviles does not necessarily imply grade-separation, just restrictions to motor traffic. AFAIK, there are almost no vías para automóviles in Spain. Existing vías rápidas kept its green signs and new grade-separated single-carriageway roads were built as carreteras convencionales, with white signage and 100 km/h speed limit (or 90 in case of not having >1.5m shoulders and/or more than 1 lane in some of the directions).

Lowering the speed limit of this high-capacity roads will be a slap in the face of all planners and engineers that envisioned them. Looks like, in this country, there's no intermediate point between full-scale autovías and ordinary roads.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #3479
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It is stupid indeed. Some parts of Spain, like Galicia, have a huge network of grade-separated two-lane roads that are designed with project speeds of 100 km/h which would also be downgraded to 90. Same for dual-carriageway roads, because when they say "carreteras secundarias" they mean all non-motorway (autovía/autopista) roads. Roads that get 100 km/h signs are designed to cope with these speeds, and in sections that are not suitable for them, there are lower speed limits.

Maybe they think all of Spain is like Madrid where there's no point 5 km farther from a freeway. In some parts of the country you must drive 100+ km on carreteras convencionales to get to your destination. Lowering the speed limit would just be nonsense, as many would disobey it and overtaking maneouvres would increase, thus boosting the risk of head-on collisions.
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I think they need to create a separate road category for 1+1 expressways, with 100 or 110 speed limit, but not overtaking whatsoever. They can even put plastic boards on the central dividing line.
One question I have since I have the license… What is the use for this signal ? (Vias para automoviles)



I never seen a road signed with that, only access to Autovia.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #3480
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I think it is obsolete
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