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Old March 30th, 2013, 04:13 AM   #3621
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:24 PM   #3622
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http://www.fomento.gob.es/NR/rdonlyr...72/Ma14_29.pdf

So when I see this photo I think to myself, are they nuts

I mean, this is Seville, not Madrid or Barcelona, how many cars do they think are going to use this road anyway, 200.000?
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 05:27 PM   #3623
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Nice find

You're not looking at a mainline section, but a split at an interchange though. Through capacity is 2x3 lanes. But it is certainly not under-designed in terms of lanes.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:13 PM   #3624
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As Chris said it seems the junction of two major motorways... luckily it seems they had plenty of space to build it... junctions and crossings at M-40 are awful...
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:38 PM   #3625
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It is the intersection of A-92 with SE-40.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 11:10 PM   #3626
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Nice find

You're not looking at a mainline section, but a split at an interchange though. Through capacity is 2x3 lanes. But it is certainly not under-designed in terms of lanes.
Málaga new by-pass is at points 2x6, mainly 23x4 with a maximum of AADT of 40 000 and a minimum of 15 000 in 2x3 lanes.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #3627
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Of course Seville is not the same than Barcelona or Madrid, but see that here we had a road opened in 1992 that had traffic jams since the first day and until 2013 haven't been opened this part of the photography, the hole highway won't be finished before 2025: 33 years or more with only SE-30 in some parts.
For comparing, I can say that M-40 was made between 1987 and 1996, M-50 between 1990s and later, M-45 between 2002 and 2011. I think that it's not needed to talk about the capacity of the radials.
Barcelona is in the middle between Madrid and Sevilla, not very overbuilt but not abandoned during 20 years too.
Also I can tell you that in this part there will be not 200.000, but like 100.000 cars every day.
For finishing, something interesting is the population and variation of it in 2012 of the 3 provinces:
Madrid 6.488.347 (-10.213)
Barcelona 5.536.152 (-15.898)
Sevilla 1.939.625 (+651)
So, if Sevilla has been one of the only 4 provinces that grown in population during the years of crisis, why had (until today) the same highway than in 1992, when it had 300.000 people less in the province?
A 4x2 highway in Sevilla would be exagerated, but not more than some things made in Madrid
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Old April 24th, 2013, 04:20 PM   #3628
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http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_.../130424-02.htm

Am I reading it right that they are going to widen N-II Alfajarín - Fraga to 2x2 lanes, as well as N-232 west of Zaragoza?
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Old April 24th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #3629
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Ha! Don't be fooled by that. We know that won't happen. Especially with N-II which runs through nothing East of Pina. But I recognize is a bit silly to have a 2+3+3+2 lanes superhighway and only 15 kilometers later there is nothing but a two lane road toll-free.

About N-II, they are planning (If not already U/C) a roundabout in Nuez de Ebro (Just East of Alfajarin), and someone in Spanish forum was upset about that, but then there is this roundabout on the hell-ish Maresme section of the same road. This is only one of some roundabouts between Mataró and Tordera, but it has been built by the town it is located, not Fomento. The proof is on the link, to the right. I've been there on very early 2011.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #3630
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The SE-40 is very urgently needed. What I'm saying is why to built it 3+3+3+3? Won't 3+3 and partly 4+4 be enough?
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Old April 24th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #3631
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Am I reading it right that they are going to widen N-II Alfajarín - Fraga to 2x2 lanes, as well as N-232 west of Zaragoza?
Yeah, you are reading correctly but... you will not read anything related to dates or that stuff.

This is... just some ministry declarations in order to say... "yes, we are here, we know the problem and some decade we will think something to do".
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Old April 24th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #3632
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Seems stupid to me this Alfajarín-Fraga mess to me. Why just don't make the AP2 free? Strange policy of building new motorways next to old ones.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #3633
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They will do... but maybe in 10 years.

Politicians need to say something while...
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Old April 24th, 2013, 11:12 PM   #3634
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Spain is really having an economic miracle since the 70's.
Stunning post. In 2006 all looked so bright.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #3635
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Is there any news about the M-203 and M-206 east of Madrid?
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Old April 28th, 2013, 08:29 PM   #3636
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A-73 will open its first 10 km in July 2013 (there is still no official opening date, but very probably will be opened during that month). The total delay is more than 2 years, caused by the economic crisis and re-schedulings in the Spain Highway system.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autov%C3%ADa_A-73

Burgos and Santander will be closer than ever
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Old May 14th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #3637
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M-203

A "highway to nowhere". The M-203 is still not finished after 7 years of construction. Cost overruns are an issue, even though the total amount (€ 70 million for 12 km) is very low.

http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/ma...-millones.html
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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #3638
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Is there any map of the route? I am not able to figure it out with google earth.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:25 PM   #3639
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It begins at R-2 northwest of Alcala de Henares, runs south, crossing A-2, then east of Torrejón de Ardoz and then merges with R-3 near Mejorada del Campo. It is visible in Google Earth.

The northern two-thirds is mappable on Google Maps, but the southern third isn't, but apparently none of it is open to traffic, except for the R-2 - A-2 segment.
http://goo.gl/maps/ivvKX
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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #3640
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So here it is:



The red line is the "highway to nowhere". The blue point shows the wall of the Madrid - Barcelona High Speed Train Line, that explains the name of the highway
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