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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #3761
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A little bit offtopic: Why the F**K should Euskadi or Catalonia have indepence, anyway?? Do they still live in the medieval age?
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #3762
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It's a long time I haven't been there.

I just do not agree neither disagree (and should the action has to be taken... better far from me).

What I wanted to detail was that nothing related to Spanish police but Basque police if it concerns to traffic in that region.


As a sum-up, all road traffic are managed by civil guard (not the national police) except in Navarra, Basque country and Catalonia where are managed by their own police.
And in any city, town or village, by their own local police.

Every town has local police (maybe few agents, but enough for them) and... should they appreciate an infraction from your side in a street, they will fine you. But if a general road crosses the city or town.... it is the civil guard (or regional police) who has to take action.

I know cases of applying against a fine because "no competences there" and ran up!

And...... if you see any national police car in a road, do not worry.... they cannot fine you.




Crazy situation?. I would say.... yeeeeeees.... but it is how it goes. A nightmare to be understood for foreing citizens. I just wanted to explain the details.

Two months ago, I was fined by the Guardia Civil just before Alsasua on the A1 because I used my phone. I didn't have my phone on hands but they saw I speak alone in my van and with a thread.
I saw them too late. They were after a curb and a bridge helping a breakdown truck.
100 € for the spanish government.
I'm proud to help your country in this difficult situation .

Also in France, local police don't have any efficiency on national roads, highways,....but they can control your speed in their own city.
National police, and CRS, is effective in urban areas, even on highways which cross a city.
Gendarmerie (Guardia Civil) everywhere. Because they are militaries, and even if they are on holidays, they can stop you, call police or their colleagues to be fined.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #3763
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A little bit offtopic: Why the F**K should Euskadi or Catalonia have indepence, anyway?? Do they still live in the medieval age?

Briefly. All Spanish regions have an own goverment and some issues are managed by themselves. Not only these regions but the whole country. Some of them have more self.government that others.

In the case of roads

Police control only regional management in Basque country and Catalonia
Road maintenance and building. All for Balearic and Canary islands. And almost all for Navarra and Basque country (I think all except ap68). Nothing special in Catalonia for instance
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Old July 29th, 2013, 12:29 PM   #3764
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A little bit offtopic: Why the F**K should Euskadi or Catalonia have indepence, anyway?? Do they still live in the medieval age?
It's a little bit more complex than you may think. The main issue is who manages taxpayers' money.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #3765
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A new procedure for speed fines catched in radars will apply starting August 1st in order to be quicker and more effective between France and Spain
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Old August 9th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #3766
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I will apreciate if someone can provide a link to a Spanish road map of 1980 or 1985, i can´t find it on the net myself, it will be useful.
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Old August 10th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #3767
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Look this link. I don't know if you serve you. But check it.

http://www.fomento.es/MFOM/LANG_CAST...ISTORICA/1985/
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Old August 12th, 2013, 03:58 AM   #3768
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Look this link. I don't know if you serve you. But check it.

http://www.fomento.es/MFOM/LANG_CAST...ISTORICA/1985/
I know those traffic maps, those are not road maps, which is what i am looking for, thanks anyway.
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Old August 12th, 2013, 02:01 PM   #3769
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I will apreciate if someone can provide a link to a Spanish road map of 1980 or 1985, i can´t find it on the net myself, it will be useful.
Hello.

The Spanish national geographic institute allows you to download old maps from the ~1920s to the present years. They are not road maps, but they show the roads.

The bad news is that there is not any map showing Spain as a whole, you have to download them province-by-province (at a 1:200k scale) or sheet-by-sheet (at a 1:50k scale). Since this is my first post here, I don't think I'm allowed to post links yet, but you can google "centro descargas cnig" and you'll find it easily.

Once you have registered, click on "Búsqueda avanzada" and then, in "Seleccione producto", choose either "mapa provincial 200 histórico" or "MTN50 histórico".

I can tell you how to do it via Private Message if you have any problem.

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Old August 12th, 2013, 10:03 PM   #3770
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Do you mean here?
http://www.mtiblog.com/2010/05/centr...-ign-cnig.html
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Old August 13th, 2013, 12:42 AM   #3771
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Hello.

The Spanish national geographic institute allows you to download old maps from the ~1920s to the present years. They are not road maps, but they show the roads.

The bad news is that there is not any map showing Spain as a whole, you have to download them province-by-province (at a 1:200k scale) or sheet-by-sheet (at a 1:50k scale). Since this is my first post here, I don't think I'm allowed to post links yet, but you can google "centro descargas cnig" and you'll find it easily.

Once you have registered, click on "Búsqueda avanzada" and then, in "Seleccione producto", choose either "mapa provincial 200 histórico" or "MTN50 histórico".

I can tell you how to do it via Private Message if you have any problem.

Sorry for my English
I saw no errors at all in your English (not that anyone asked me...)

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Old August 13th, 2013, 12:59 PM   #3772
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Some pics of Z-40 Motorway (4th Zaragoza Ring) from A-2 E-90 to AP-2 E-90:













































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Old August 13th, 2013, 01:41 PM   #3773
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Some pics of CV-13 Expressway from AP-7 E-15 to CV-10 Motorway. In the future the CV-10 will be A-7.

Nice route if you don't want to pay the robbery (toll) between Barcelona and Valencia.



Albertis will never put CV-10 signage, they don't want people to know that they don't need the tolled motorway.





























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Old August 13th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #3774
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Some pics of Z-40 Motorway (4th Zaragoza Ring) from A-2 E-90 to AP-2 E-90:


Those two photos are damn too close to my favorite spot in Zaragoza. One can zoom past this point at 120 km/h. By the way, it is no signed but one can reach E07 to Huesca from this point, one has to take exit 321 to local lanes and then take the second exit (Former exit 322B) at that cloverleaf whirpool hybrid I named the "Autobahnkreuz Picarral". It is signed as "N-330 San Gregorio Parque Goya", but once you enter N-330 there is a sign that says "N-330 Huesca". Ultimately the 4 lane divided road merges with E07.

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Some pics of CV-13 Expressway from AP-7 E-15 to CV-10 Motorway. In the future the CV-10 will be A-7.

Nice route if you don't want to pay the robbery (toll) between Barcelona and Valencia.
I know the tolled roads as trolled roads .
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Old August 13th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #3775
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I will apreciate if someone can provide a link to a Spanish road map of 1980 or 1985, i can´t find it on the net myself, it will be useful.
Bad quality but its what i have

this is from a map of road from 1979
blue=motorways
red=national roads
green=shire roads


this is from an atlas of 1984
green=motorways
red=national roads
orange= "in works" motorways
magenta=planned motorways (never build)
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Old August 14th, 2013, 01:40 PM   #3776
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Old August 14th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #3777
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The first stretch of A-27 in Tarragona is now open. This will be a great relief for truck traffic driving to oil refineries and Tarragona port. When this route is complete until Montblanc, there will be a direct motorway connection between Lleida and Tarragona (current AP-2 ends in El Vendrell, so traffic has to make a detour via AP-7 or take N-240). Sadly, the completion of the two remaining stretches is uncertain.

See official press release.



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Old August 14th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #3778
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On that 1979 map, it is strange to think they completed a highway on the Mediterranean and other linking Zaragoza with Bilbao before they even linked Madrid with Zaragoza or Madrid with anywhere else!
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Old August 14th, 2013, 03:47 PM   #3779
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On that 1979 map, it is strange to think they completed a highway on the Mediterranean and other linking Zaragoza with Bilbao before they even linked Madrid with Zaragoza or Madrid with anywhere else!
That plan had nonsense because they didn't choose the most used roads.

First 45 km from Zaragoza to Madrid were opened in 1987 (as I can remember)

In 1982 with no motorways in all Spain I remember being with my parents in the north west of Navarra. It was quite late but... only 10km away from the new tolled motorway and just two hours to arrive home.

Today it is not strange but with roads in 1982... It will take terribly longer.
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Old August 14th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #3780
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Some pics from today of new A-27.

Northbound. Part 1.

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A-27 10 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-27 11 by Vignole, on Flickr

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A-27 12 by Vignole, on Flickr

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