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Old October 17th, 2007, 11:56 PM   #361
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Old October 18th, 2007, 12:37 AM   #362
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Not the whole, but about 65-70% of Spain is a plateau (Meseta).
sofia is the highest capital of europe
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Old October 18th, 2007, 01:06 AM   #363
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a couple of houses in a mountain don't make sofia the highest capital

Most of Madrid is at 650m to say the least, whereas Sofia's average altitude is around 550m
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Old October 18th, 2007, 01:10 AM   #364
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No, Madrid is higher than Sofia: 650-715 metres high.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 01:17 AM   #365
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Not the whole, but about 65-70% of Spain is a plateau (Meseta).
Not so far... think that only central territories within Castilla y León, Castilla-La Mancha and south of Madrid are plateau. Rest plains as Ebro depression (Zaragoza) and Guadalquivir depression (Seville) don´t belong to the plateau...
I think that mainly 45% of Spanish territory is a plateau... think that in Castilla y León, for example, mountains are 45% of territory.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 01:30 AM   #366
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sofia´s lowest point is like 520 m but it goes up to 1000 m and the half of sofia is higher than 600 m, I am sure if we look at Madrit average and Sofia average Sofia is higher because it has many parts which are above 800 m
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Old October 18th, 2007, 10:29 AM   #367
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Sarajevo: 500m
Sofia: 550m
Madrid: 667m
Andorra la Vella: 1.023m
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Old October 18th, 2007, 11:31 AM   #368
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Not so far... think that only central territories within Castilla y León, Castilla-La Mancha and south of Madrid are plateau. Rest plains as Ebro depression (Zaragoza) and Guadalquivir depression (Seville) don´t belong to the plateau...
I think that mainly 45% of Spanish territory is a plateau... think that in Castilla y León, for example, mountains are 45% of territory.
when i said that Spain is a plateau, i said it more figuratively, so i meant mostly central part (of course, not considering about high mountains such as Cordillera Central, Pyrenees and Sierra Nevada). the fact i didnßt know and that suprrised me is Guadalquivir valley - i had not idea that it was so low!
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Old October 18th, 2007, 02:23 PM   #369
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x-type, what's with that "ß" instead of apostrophe (')?
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Old October 18th, 2007, 06:16 PM   #372
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Updated map of the Spanish network of Autovías and Autopistas. Awesome work done by the ex-forumer pacopaco.



Bigger version (5MB): http://one.fsphost.com/xxxxsddf/rnabeta70.jpg

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DIA: Environmental Impact Assessment
En Funcionamiento: On service
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Old October 19th, 2007, 03:58 AM   #373
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Sarajevo: 500m
Sofia: 550m
Madrid: 667m
Andorra la Vella: 1.023m
It is true, we forgot Andorra la Vella!

Andorra la Vella is the highest European capital!!
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omg really!

btw, i cannot believe - we had that question in "Wo Wants To Be Millionaire" and they didn't mention Andorra!
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 04:37 PM   #375
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I have a few questions about the M30:

1) Are there still traffic lights on the northern section (Avenida de la Illustración)?
2) From where to where are the tunnels exactly? Google Earth is not very clear on this.
3) Is the part with the Rio Manzanares in the center now replaced by a tunnel?
4) Does the connector from the M30 to the M40 in the Northwest of the city have a number? (Near exit 25 on the M30 and exit 51 on the M40)
5) Is the whole M30 up to motorway standards? Especially the Avenida de Illustración part?
6) If i planned to drive here, what are the best times to do that without a lot of traffic jams?

Thanks in advance.
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4) Does the connector from the M30 to the M40 in the Northwest of the city have a number? (Near exit 25 on the M30 and exit 51 on the M40)
isn't it just one giant knot M40/M30?
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 07:46 PM   #377
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I have a few questions about the M30:
OK. I don't live in Madrid and don't go there very often, but I'll answer anyway.

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1) Are there still traffic lights on the northern section (Avenida de la Illustración)?
Yes. The North Bypass will solve this problem (it isn't built yet).

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2) From where to where are the tunnels exactly? Google Earth is not very clear on this.
The train station in the top of the picture is Atocha Station.





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3) Is the part with the Rio Manzanares in the center now replaced by a tunnel?
Yes, it is. Except the part near Vicente Calderón (Atlético de Madrid) Stadium, but it's only the inner/"clockwise" part. The Stadium will be demolished the next year, then the tunnel will be complete.

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4) Does the connector from the M30 to the M40 in the Northwest of the city have a number? (Near exit 25 on the M30 and exit 51 on the M40)
I think it doesn't. As x-type says, it's just a big junction.

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5) Is the whole M30 up to motorway standards? Especially the Avenida de Illustración part?
The Avenida de la Ilustración is not. The tunnels have narrow shoulders, but they have the width that the Spanish laws say they should, so

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6) If i planned to drive here, what are the best times to do that without a lot of traffic jams?

Thanks in advance.
2:00 am? Nah, I don't know. Moreover, driving in Madrid is a nightmare, everybody seems to be hurry.
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 09:21 PM   #378
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Thanks for the extensive answer! The Madrid road network really intrigues me. I just saw a 60.000 square meter Carrefour in Majahonda near the M503 motorway. That's like 40 times the average size larger Dutch supermarket.

The Madrid network is very intersting, the M30 serves the downtown and nearby neighborhoods, while the M40 serves the outter neighborhoods and industrial areas. The M45 and M50 serves the suburbs, aswell as the Radials.

I don't think there is any European city with such a great infrastructure, whether we are talking about roads or massive transit. I see there is a lot of space for Madrid expansion along these motorway corridors. The only missing link is a northern bypass, since through traffic from A1 to A4, A5 and A(P)-6 still have to use the urban motorways of Madrid.
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6) If i planned to drive here, what are the best times to do that without a lot of traffic jams?
Cicerón answered the others, so only a comment.

M30 is a busy road always, but of course there are not so many traffic jams. There are less cars on holidays, as many Madrilians leave the city. If not, try to avoid the time when people go to work (7-10am) and when they return to their houses (5-9pm)

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I don't think there is any European city with such a great infrastructure, whether we are talking about roads or massive transit. I see there is a lot of space for Madrid expansion along these motorway corridors. The only missing link is a northern bypass, since through traffic from A1 to A4, A5 and A(P)-6 still have to use the urban motorways of Madrid.
Current Madrid President, Esperanza Aguirre, promised to complete the M50 ring in 2009 if she won 2007 election. It will pass through el Pardo, so it will have to solve some enviromental problems.

PS. Your knowledge of the Spanish network is impressive.
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Old October 23rd, 2007, 10:01 PM   #380
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I have a few questions about the M30:

1) Are there still traffic lights on the northern section (Avenida de la Illustración)?
2) From where to where are the tunnels exactly? Google Earth is not very clear on this.
3) Is the part with the Rio Manzanares in the center now replaced by a tunnel?
4) Does the connector from the M30 to the M40 in the Northwest of the city have a number? (Near exit 25 on the M30 and exit 51 on the M40)
5) Is the whole M30 up to motorway standards? Especially the Avenida de Illustración part?
6) If i planned to drive here, what are the best times to do that without a lot of traffic jams?

Thanks in advance.



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