daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old August 23rd, 2013, 09:29 PM   #3801
miliar
Registered User
 
miliar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Madrid
Posts: 130
Likes (Received): 36

Quote:
Originally Posted by Viriatuus View Post
The story goes something like this. When the Spanish authorities planned in the 60's a motorway network they planed 6 motorways radiating from Madrid as well some others, and they had the intention to give priority to those 6 motorways. However they had not the money to build them and thus approached the World Bank for financing. The answer of the World Bank was simple, they would only finance projects which could make economic sense. Due to the lower traffic level of the radial roads compared to the Mediterranean corridor and the Ebro corridor, these last two were given priority, in spite of the Spanish planing.
Perhaps it’s a bit late to join to the discussion, anyway I would like to give some additional information in order to explain why AP-68 was built before other radial motorways. Of course, the reasons you have said, such as development of Catalonian and Basque regions or expected AADT, are right, but I think it could be interesting for us to take into account some details about those studies which were carried out to programme Spanish highway network before 1980.

As Viriatuus has explained, this motorway system was planned at the sixties taking into account available AADT data and traffic growth estimates.


Traffic growth estimates. Source: Planeamiento del Sistema Nacional de Autopistas (1964)

It was a long-term analysis which tried to determine not only what motorways should be constructed but also when, i.e. the schedule of construction. Expected AADT in the following years was compared with the capacity on the different sections of the national network, in order to find out which of them were going to be congested in the future.


Estimate of congested roads in 1973 and 1977. Source: Planeamiento del Sistema Nacional de Autopistas (1964)

On the first map (1973), we can see that congestion problems were expected in the Basque Country and close to Zaragoza. Therefore, only the section between Miranda de Ebro and Tudela was free of congestion. I think that this map explains why AP-68 concession was put to tender in 1973. In fact, we can check that congested sections on this map almost matches to the map of motorway concessions at the end of the seventies.

But, were traffic growth estimates right?


Traffic growth 1960-1982. Source: Plan General de Carreteras 1984-91 (1984)

Estimated and actual values were similar between 1962 (14E+9 vehicles x km) and 1973 (52E+9 vehicles x km). A global economical recession caused by the growth of petrol prices began then, so traffic kept under estimated values from this moment. For example, a value higher than 80E+9 was expected in 1980, while actual traffic was equal to 72E+9 (this value was expected three years before).

Moreover, I want to show you the following map that shows congested sections (level of service worse than C) at the beginning of the eighties.


High & low AADT routes. Congested roads (1982-83). Source: Plan General de Carreteras 1984-91 (1984)

If we take into account which sections of highways have been opened then, we can say that it is quite similar to the map estimated for 1977. Recession at the seventies slowed down traffic growth but didn’t stop it. Finally, traffic began to grow strongly after 1985.

Regards
__________________

Suburbanist, Iregua, Peines liked this post
miliar no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old August 24th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #3802
Iregua
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 143
Likes (Received): 70

Miliar, it's never late to join a discussion if you bring such interesting information!

May I ask, where do you get that kind of maps and statistics? Are they available on line?
Iregua no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2013, 03:33 PM   #3803
miliar
Registered User
 
miliar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Madrid
Posts: 130
Likes (Received): 36

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iregua View Post
Miliar, it's never late to join a discussion if you bring such interesting information!

May I ask, where do you get that kind of maps and statistics? Are they available on line?
If you are interested in the first document, please follow this link :

http://www.fomento.gob.es/AZ.BBMF.We...pdf/R15853.pdf

Unfortunately, the second book isn’t available on the internet (or at least I’m not able to find it).

Anyway, you can find some information about Spanish network at the beginning of the eighties in the following document which describes the Highway Plan of 1984.

http://www.congreso.es/public_oficia...CG/E/E_160.PDF

Regards.
__________________

Iregua liked this post
miliar no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #3804
tompaw
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Marbella / Cracovia
Posts: 74
Likes (Received): 1

Guys, I'm having problems with the Autiopista del Sol stretch of AP-7. According to the rules posted on their website, I should've gained the frequent user status in May this year (I triple checked with my bank statement). Unfortunately, they're still robbing me for full amount ever time I cross the barrier.

I've emailed their contact mailbox, but I'm afraid this might not be enough to push things forward. Do we - by any chance - have anyone from Cintra here at SSC?
tompaw no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #3805
OriK
Usuario Registrado
 
OriK's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 721
Likes (Received): 173

Maybe it's better to call them or even going to the motorway offices.
OriK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2013, 06:34 PM   #3806
tompaw
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Marbella / Cracovia
Posts: 74
Likes (Received): 1

I don't mind popping over tomorrow (I'm still on level 1 @ spanish duolingo, so calling them probably won't help). Do you know which of their offices at this stretch of AP7 is the "main" one?
tompaw no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #3807
OriK
Usuario Registrado
 
OriK's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 721
Likes (Received): 173

Haha, I've no idea, but the address shown in their webpage is:

"Autopista del Sol, C.E.S.A.
Área de Peaje de San Pedro - Pantano Roto s/n
29670 San Pedro Alcántara - Málaga"

Have you seen if your trips are correctly stated in their webpage? ( http://www.autopistadelsol.com/ausol1/users.htm )

If so, print it and claim your discount. If not, you should go with your bank statements.
OriK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #3808
alserrod
Bienvenue à Saragosse
 
alserrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zaragoza
Posts: 59,790

Which discount should have been applied?
Is it posted in the web?. If so, we can look for the complete translation to see if they have some exemptions or you may claim for it
__________________
Ya ves que fuimos puente herido de abrazos detenidos por ver la libertad


(José A. Labordeta 1935 - 2010)
alserrod no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 26th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #3809
tompaw
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Marbella / Cracovia
Posts: 74
Likes (Received): 1

Regular (non-summer) prices after 60+ barrier crosses in the previous 4 months. I spoke to them on Facebook, delivered the statement and they said they would come back to me tomorrow.
tompaw no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 28th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #3810
KRX_69
Amaro
 
KRX_69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12,340
Likes (Received): 4380

Viagem de Sevilla a Córdoba



01. SE-30 - saída A4


02. A4 - saída Brenes


03. A4 - saída aeroporto


04. A4 - aeroporto de Sevilla


05. A4 - saída aeroporto


06. A4 - saída P.E. Aeronautico


07. A4 - saída SE-40


08. A4 - saída Carmona


09.


10.


11. A4


12.


13. A4 - saída La Luisiana


14.


15. A4 - saída Marchena


16. A4


17. A4 - saída Écija


18.


Aqui fui forçado a sair da autoestrada devido a um grave acidente que ocorreu nessa mesma estrada tendo que fazer um desvio de quase 40 Kms

19.


20.


21. Écija


22.


23. CP-191


24. CP-191 - Fuente Carreteros


25.


De regresso à autoestrada

26. A4 - saída El Arrecife


27.


28.


29. A4 - saída Guadalcazar


30. A4 - saída N331 (Málaga)


31.


32.


33.


34.


35. A4 - saída CO-32 Córdoba


36.


37. CO-32 - saída Guadalcazar


38.


39. Puente Abbás ibn Firnás


40.


41. CO-32


42.


43.


44. A-431


__________________
Ciudadanos de un lugar llamado mundo

albertocsc, Penn's Woods, verreme, Iregua liked this post
KRX_69 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #3811
Iregua
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 143
Likes (Received): 70

Google Street View has been updated in Spain!
Iregua no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 03:44 PM   #3812
bozenBDJ
the World Trade Center
 
bozenBDJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: BDJ, ID-KS
Posts: 23,631
Likes (Received): 9721

Any [E] GSV screenshots to show us ?
bozenBDJ no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #3813
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,244
Likes (Received): 780

Madrid? Málaga? Murcia? ;-)
__________________
I didn't vote for him....

DRIVEN IN BEEN IN:
AL CA CT DE DC FL GA ID IL IN KY ME MD MA MI MN MO MT NH NJ NY NC ND OH OR PA RI SC SD TN UT VT VA WA WV WI WY ---
AB BC MB NB NS ON PE QC SK ---
A B CH D F GB I L NL
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #3814
alserrod
Bienvenue à Saragosse
 
alserrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zaragoza
Posts: 59,790

In a guess the road thread I know that recent picture at Llivia is quite recent at gsv because I only remember road until Llivia, not far away
__________________
Ya ves que fuimos puente herido de abrazos detenidos por ver la libertad


(José A. Labordeta 1935 - 2010)
alserrod no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 05:43 PM   #3815
Iregua
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 143
Likes (Received): 70

Quote:
Originally Posted by bozenBDJ View Post
Any [E] GSV screenshots to show us ?
The update has been so huge that it's hard to choose. Even some forest tracks are available!

But if we stick strictly to motorways, maybe the most important updates are the new A-4 in Despeñaperros Mountain pass, the new AP-46 tolled motorway near Málaga, or the new allignment of some of the oldest autovías (especially the A-1 or the A-2).
Iregua no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #3816
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Quote:
Originally Posted by Penn's Woods View Post
Madrid? Málaga? Murcia? ;-)
And soon Gibraltar
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #3817
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,244
Likes (Received): 780

Be good. The joke is BozenBDJ has a habit of making three guesses at a time in Guess the Highway.
__________________
I didn't vote for him....

DRIVEN IN BEEN IN:
AL CA CT DE DC FL GA ID IL IN KY ME MD MA MI MN MO MT NH NJ NY NC ND OH OR PA RI SC SD TN UT VT VA WA WV WI WY ---
AB BC MB NB NS ON PE QC SK ---
A B CH D F GB I L NL
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 07:35 PM   #3818
alserrod
Bienvenue à Saragosse
 
alserrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zaragoza
Posts: 59,790

Quote:
Originally Posted by Road_UK View Post

And soon Gibraltar
I do not know why it isn't

I know that when Andorran territory was cauhgt, permissions weren't available yet for google. They had to wait for a time (now the full country appears) but several roads that enter into Spain appeared. This is... All data in computers but for a while only available from the border eithet in local roads.

I guess it will happen the same with Ceuta, Melilla and all Morocco
__________________
Ya ves que fuimos puente herido de abrazos detenidos por ver la libertad


(José A. Labordeta 1935 - 2010)
alserrod no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 07:44 PM   #3819
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Well, most of the UK is on streetview, and so is Spain. It would have made sense...
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #3820
albertocsc
Translator and traveller
 
albertocsc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Frankfurt - Hahn
Posts: 495
Likes (Received): 49

I have already seen Gibraltar in GSV some months ago... :/

By the way, I'll check that new imaginery.

And I want to share some images about Spanish road classification in Ciudad Real:




__________________

Suburbanist, Iregua liked this post

Last edited by albertocsc; September 4th, 2013 at 09:20 PM.
albertocsc está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
autopista, carreteras, españa, highways, motorways, road, spain, spain in the world, via rapida

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium