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Old September 20th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #3941
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Just random pics of M-40 (North) and A-6 in Madrid… in their wonderful traffic jams and congestions…





Taken on 2013/09/13.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 01:56 PM   #3942
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N340


N340 - Torre del Mar






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A7 - saída Benagalbón


A7 - saída El Palo


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MA21 - saída aeroporto


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A7 - saída La Línea


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A383 - saída Mirador El Higueron


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Old September 23rd, 2013, 09:54 PM   #3943
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A-66 Benavente - Zamora

The construction of the missing link of Autovía A-66 between Benavente and Zamora officially began today. The project is a PPP project with shadow tolls, contracted to Cintra for a period of 30 years (until 2042).

The project cost is € 1054 million, but cannot be directly compared to other Spanish motorway projects because this contract also includes maintenance and interest expenses over a period of 30 years, not just the initial construction cost like with most regular projects. This results in a much higher "per kilometer" cost of € 21.5 million/km (to compare, most motorway projects on the Meseta are done for under € 6 million/km, occasionally as low as € 2 million/km).
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Old September 24th, 2013, 12:50 AM   #3944
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So Spain will complete its primary motorway network in 2015 when they supposedly finally finish the A7 A8 and A66.

What's next, the M60 ring road, or will they do the M70 first???
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Old September 24th, 2013, 02:22 AM   #3945
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So Spain will complete its primary motorway network in 2015 when they supposedly finally finish the A7 A8 and A66.

What's next, the M60 ring road, or will they do the M70 first???
NOPE: the M-90 ring road…

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Old September 24th, 2013, 03:26 AM   #3946
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NOPE: the M-90 ring road
That looks more like the M190 to me.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 09:56 AM   #3947
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The project cost is € 1054 million, but cannot be directly compared to other Spanish motorway projects because this contract also includes maintenance and interest expenses over a period of 30 years,
I don't get it: other motorway deals do not include maintenance? Who's doing that?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 01:07 PM   #3948
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UK and Ireland do these. The company that constructs the road gets a 30 year maintenance contract with it. The payments are often based on 'Shadow Tolls' so the higher the traffic the higher the payments but they are guaranteed most of the payments for having the road open and in one piece.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 03:28 PM   #3949
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I don't get it: other motorway deals do not include maintenance? Who's doing that?
It depends on the contract, there are many forms of PPP with their own pros and cons for both the contractor and the government. It appears that most autovías in Spain are not built under concession, which means the cost of maintenance has to come from the regular road budget. But some autovías in Spain are built with long-term contracts, I believe the Castilla-La Mancha region built a lot of CM-xx autovías with this type of contract.

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UK and Ireland do these. The company that constructs the road gets a 30 year maintenance contract with it. The payments are often based on 'Shadow Tolls' so the higher the traffic the higher the payments but they are guaranteed most of the payments for having the road open and in one piece.
Shadow tolls are usually seen as highly disadvantageous for the government in high growth areas, because the amount of money paid to the contractor depends on the number of vehicles passing through. They contracted two motorway tunnels in the Netherlands in the late 1980s with shadow tolls, but found it it will cost hundreds of millions more due to (politically) unanticipated traffic growth. They don't do this kind of PPP anymore, but PPP projects based on availability payments are very popular.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 03:39 PM   #3950
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I don't get it: other motorway deals do not include maintenance? Who's doing that?
There are some contracts that includes building and maintenance for X years (or refurbishment and maintenance) as well as other motorways have their own contracts for maintenance.

Company which manage any management have white vans with the name of the motorway (or national road) written in their sides, something according to maintenance of roads and their own logo.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #3951
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It depends on the contract, there are many forms of PPP with their own pros and cons for both the contractor and the government. It appears that most autovías in Spain are not built under concession, which means the cost of maintenance has to come from the regular road budget. But some autovías in Spain are built with long-term contracts, I believe the Castilla-La Mancha region built a lot of CM-xx autovías with this type of contract.
In Catalonia, C-15, C-16, C-25 and C-35/C-65/C-31 axis were built with 30-year contracts.
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Old September 24th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #3952
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NOPE: the M-90 ring road…

Have you warned the Portuguese?
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Old September 24th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #3953
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In Catalonia, C-15, C-16, C-25 and C-35/C-65/C-31 axis were built with 30-year contracts.
Also C-14 and C-17.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #3954
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NOPE: the M-90 ring road…


I like this map.
I see with the red line that you consider Portugal as a "provincia".
But their highways along the coast are finished. Not in Spain...
How do you call ironically Portugal and France there ?
Like Andorra your national bank !
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Old September 25th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #3955
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I like this map.
I see with the red line that you consider Portugal as a "provincia".
But their highways along the coast are finished. Not in Spain...
How do you call ironically Portugal and France there ?
Like Andorra your national bank !
Portugal: "Fabrica de Toallas de Madrid"

France: No idea, really, no idea.

Anyway, our motorway network are pretty close to be completed: Basically the A-8, A-7/ AP-7 could be bypassed with A-92 and others.

Then any Madrileño could go to any part of the coast to have a nice beach holidays, because our main Motorway Network is basically designed for go to Madrid to the Beach and then return to Madrid. That's a fact, sadly.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 01:21 AM   #3956
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Portugal should be Playas Municipales Del Oeste de Madrid surely.
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Old September 25th, 2013, 01:38 AM   #3957
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Portugal should be Playas Municipales Del Oeste de Madrid surely.
better: "Madrid street market and steticien" (Mercadillo y esteticien de Madrid)
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Old September 25th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #3958
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Then any Madrileño could go to any part of the coast to have a nice beach holidays, because our main Motorway Network is basically designed for go to Madrid to the Beach and then return to Madrid. That's a fact, sadly.
It was true, but nowadays it isn't true. There are still some regions with not that good connections but in general, the network is getting more meshed every year. ..

I live in Toledo and I remember that I had to go via Madrid to every single destination more than 100km away from my home, nowadays I only have to pass through Madrid for going to the North. I'm sure that this kind of improvement have been seen in most provinces.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #3959
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Some photos from M-30, from Costa Rica Avenue to A-3 Link, taken on 2013/09/20 09:30, Saturday, that's why there's no traffic.





















Exit 9B should say "Madrid Beach" besides "Valencia".





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Old September 26th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #3960
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M-30 is so awesome. Driving there has such a world-freeway-capital feel you'll hardly get in other parts of the world.
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