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Old September 26th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #3961
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I prefer the Z-40/E90 overlap on a Sunday morning. It feels like driving in North Korea.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 05:36 PM   #3962
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NOPE: the M-90 ring road…
Have you warned the Portuguese?
Oh, the Spanish...hundreds and hundreds of kilometers of empty fields, but they always want a little bit more...
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Old September 28th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #3963
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OFF TOPIC!

This is our plan to invade you... please don't spread it as it's ultra-secret:



This will grant us enough land to build the M-90
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Old September 30th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #3964
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So have they widened finally to 2x3 the ex-A-7 near Málaga from Avda. Velazquez to M-21/Airport/Torremolinos exit around San Julián?

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Old September 30th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #3965
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A-60 around Valladolid airport will open to traffic tomorrow 13.7 km of new motorway.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #3966
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(A-44) Autovìa de Granada / Sierra Nevada:




Video recorded by me last summer.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 12:47 AM   #3967
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(A-7) Autovia Del Mediterráneo - Algeciras Port

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Old October 1st, 2013, 02:30 PM   #3968
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A7


A7 - saída Miraflores


A7 - saída Los Cortijillos


A7 - saída A381 Los Barrios


A7 - saída Pol. Ind. La Manacha


Vista para Algeciras


A7 - saída Algeciras (norte)


A7 - saída Algeciras (centro urbano)










N340 - vista para Marrocos


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Old October 1st, 2013, 04:25 PM   #3969
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N340


















































N340 - saída Vejer de la Frontera






A48






A48 - saída La Muela








A48 - saída Conil de la Frontera


6A48 - saída Barrio Nuevo


A48 - saída La Barrosa


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Old October 1st, 2013, 11:08 PM   #3970
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Last kilometres entering to Cadiz in the N-IV with a "beach to the bay", 2x2 highway, railway and "beach to the Ocean" are really stunning

https://maps.google.es/maps?q=cadiz&...45.63,,0,-7.31
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Old October 6th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #3971
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L'Aldea bypass (N-340) was opened Thursday. This will be a huge relief for traffic crossing the town (17.000 vehicles per day, with a 26% truck share). L'Aldea was the only population crossed by N-340 in more than 100 kilometers, the others having been already bypassed or crossed with little affection to traffic (pedestrian crossings or traffic lights).

The new road is 8,3 kilometers long and features complete grade separation.

See press release from Fomento.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #3972
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Completely unnecessary from a traffic engineering point of view. The only reason for this bypass is to facilitate traffic avoiding toll roads. The AP-7 has the exact same function as new N-340 which was built 100 m beside it. You can take the entrance at Amposta and exit at L'Ampolla and drive the exact same route.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #3973
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It is the way they're dealing with tolled routes in Spain. Instead of forcing trucks and heavy vehicles to take the motorways (tolled or not), Spanish authorities prefer to built and upgrade the old national roads, and even build expressways when there is already a motorway built in the same stretch... whatever...
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Old October 7th, 2013, 02:53 PM   #3974
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It is the way they're dealing with tolled routes in Spain. Instead of forcing trucks and heavy vehicles to take the motorways (tolled or not), Spanish authorities prefer to built and upgrade the old national roads, and even build expressways when there is already a motorway built in the same stretch... whatever...
You have all reason. These are our politics. Shit. I never understand why in Spain there are parallel expressways to motorways. Politics say that motorways are under private companies, but politics approve these contracts, so... corruption everywhere.
We have the most corrupt politicians in Europe. Corruption is the flag of Spain.
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I think it is not about corruption -itself, or really different from what happens in other countries-, but about moving money and resources to private companies. I go further, and I am very critical with traditional tolled systems such as the French and the Italian ones. I can understand that through regular taxes people pay the state could manage an efficient and modern roads network. However, I am mostly for an extra economical support for expressways like in the Austrian and Swiss system, but making sure all the money people pay goes for maintaining and upgrading the expressway network.

I can't understand a system which force people to pay for using a motorway, but only a small part of that money goes for the infrastructure itself, but the rest goes just for the budget of that private company.

Motorways networks in France, Italy and Portugal are not good either. Or you just pay a fortune for crossing the country to a private company which manage over-redeemed roads, or you use out-of-date roads where you can rather drive faster than 70 km/h...

The bad thing in Spain is just bad optimization of resources...
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Old October 7th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #3976
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Yesterday, a fire simulation inside the Somport tunnel (8,1 km Spain-France) was done. It is part of the yearly maintenance plan


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Old October 7th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #3977
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It is the way they're dealing with tolled routes in Spain. Instead of forcing trucks and heavy vehicles to take the motorways (tolled or not), Spanish authorities prefer to built and upgrade the old national roads, and even build expressways when there is already a motorway built in the same stretch... whatever...
That's not true. Earlier this year, trucks were banned from N-II in Girona province, so they must now take AP-7 from Maçanet to the French border. Other complementary actions, such as toll discounts, have been taken in other toll roads, such as AP-2 and AP-68.

L'Aldea bypass is not an expressway, and traffic (not only heavy trucks) on N-340 was high enough to justify a bypass. AP-7 in this section is not exactly empty either. Building a full expressway next to AP-7 is virtually ruled out, though it may be mentioned in election years.
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traffic (not only heavy trucks) on N-340 was high enough to justify a bypass.
True, but if AP-7 was toll free you surely wouldn't need to construct this bypass.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #3979
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That's not true. Earlier this year, trucks were banned from N-II in Girona province, so they must now take AP-7 from Maçanet to the French border. Other complementary actions, such as toll discounts, have been taken in other toll roads, such as AP-2 and AP-68.
And these actions have proven to be completely useless. An example illustrates it better than any theory: a truck in front of me, arriving at Gallur, chose N-232 (limited at 80 km/h). I chose AP-68, drove at 120 km/h until Alagón and, when AP-68 and A-68 merged, there was the very same truck in front of me again.
That is why discounts mean nothing for them.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #3980
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IIRC, the AP-15 is cheaper for lorries than it is for cars. The result is a N-121 with almost no heavy traffic.

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I think it is not about corruption -itself, or really different from what happens in other countries-, but about moving money and resources to private companies. I go further, and I am very critical with traditional tolled systems such as the French and the Italian ones. I can understand that through regular taxes people pay the state could manage an efficient and modern roads network. However, I am mostly for an extra economical support for expressways like in the Austrian and Swiss system, but making sure all the money people pay goes for maintaining and upgrading the expressway network.

I can't understand a system which force people to pay for using a motorway, but only a small part of that money goes for the infrastructure itself, but the rest goes just for the budget of that private company.
I couldn't agree more! But nowadays it seems virtually impossible to set up a vignette system akin the Austrian or Swiss ones.
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