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Old October 8th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #3981
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True, but if AP-7 was toll free you surely wouldn't need to construct this bypass.
AP-7 would be very expensive to buy back. More expensive than bypassing the whole of N-340. Which doesn't mean I'm in favour of the latter. Concessions having been extended for more years, there's little chance of buying motorways back.

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And these actions have proven to be completely useless. An example illustrates it better than any theory: a truck in front of me, arriving at Gallur, chose N-232 (limited at 80 km/h). I chose AP-68, drove at 120 km/h until Alagón and, when AP-68 and A-68 merged, there was the very same truck in front of me again.
That is why discounts mean nothing for them.
That is very difficult to believe, unless you stopped somewhere or you were not actually driving that fast.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #3982
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Maybe I'm mistaken and it was another truck, but I drove at 120 all the time. In any case, truck drivers say that for them the road is cheaper than the highway. I don't know whether they consider the toll in their numbers, but now that they have a 50% discount the road is still full of trucks. I see no difference.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 11:56 PM   #3983
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Anyone has said nothing recently about the speed limit, so I would like to remember the law that let to increase the limit of some autovías and autopistas was approved, and it will be possible to drive at this speed in some parts from march of 2014.

Anyway, País Vasco and Cataluña has said that they will not let this speed in their territories. The rest of regional governments have accepted this new speed (like Galicia) or haven't said still anything (like Andalucia)
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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:04 AM   #3984
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Well, the problem is that it isn't really clear along which stretches the speed limit is going to be increased... for sure, out of Catalonia and the Basque Country.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #3985
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In trolled motorways, surely.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:08 AM   #3986
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In trolled motorways, surely.
!!trolled?

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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:10 AM   #3987
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Trolled. Yes.
I love English. In Spanish we couldn't make this pun.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:13 AM   #3988
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love it...

Well, probably the AP-2 is the best motorway in Spain for driving fast: good design, good state and low traffic...
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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:15 AM   #3989
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You love it... then you should know it's not mine. I don't remember who coined it.
Not many stretches deserve a "130" lollipop...
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Old October 11th, 2013, 01:31 AM   #3990
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They should also look at lower limits on some of the older ones, parts of the A7 are fairly scary at 120kph with sharp corners after long downslopes. The Autovias in the Basque country and Catalonia are fairly old as well as hilly and busy so I understand why 120kph is enough for them up there.

But the new ones (post 2000), generally further south, and some of the regional autovias too are easily 130kph roads, especially the long rural ones on the Meseta.

Once you get to Andalucia, Meh!!! I would not let them raise the limit down there.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 02:20 AM   #3991
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To my best knowledgement, in Aragon there would be six or seven little streches as "candidates" to be 130, and not only in "trolled" motorways but also in A-23 Zaragoza-Teruel
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Old October 11th, 2013, 02:56 AM   #3992
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You love it... then you should know it's not mine. I don't remember who coined it.
Not many stretches deserve a "130" lollipop...
nevermind... don't worry
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To my best knowledgement, in Aragon there would be six or seven little streches as "candidates" to be 130, and not only in "trolled" motorways but also in A-23 Zaragoza-Teruel
I would prefer a dynamic speed limit depending on traffic conditions, specially around urban areas.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 10:04 AM   #3993
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Concerning motorways where 120 km/h seem too much... just remember that a speed limit doesn't oblige you to drive at that speed... you should adapt your speed to circumstances. But it's truth that some people want to run at 180 km/h just because they've been told that their cars can reach that speed (in other words, we share roads with utter idiots), so...
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Old October 11th, 2013, 03:53 PM   #3994
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Is not only about tolled motorways. Near Seville I think A-49 could be perfectly made for 130 and A-66 (except in Venta del Alto) can too if the pavement doesn't become bad again like it happened some years ago
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Old October 11th, 2013, 04:57 PM   #3995
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We are talking about 130 km/h, which is only 10 km/h above the current speed limit. Almost any motorway, tolled or not, built from the early 1990s is ready for that. Also, we should consider the fact that most, if not all speedometers always display a higher speed.

Of course, tolled highways are more suitable for higher speed limits for reasons such as new allignment (i.e., not using previous roads' allignment), lower traffic in general, few trucks, fewer exits, etc. But that would make them suitable for, say, 150 km/h, not only 130. And that includes the AP-1 Vitoria-Eibar in the Basque country and the AP-2 Lleida-El Vendrell in Catalonia.

IMO, the best option would have been to remove any kind of speed enforcement on those particular stretches which allow speeds higher than 120 km/h.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 12:02 AM   #3996
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I don't think they will actually raise the speed limit on any stretch of road. This 130 thing was a political stunt that has been gradually losing momentum since the elections.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 01:36 AM   #3997
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Nowadays, AP-2 between Alfajarin and Pina is free for trucks providing electronic payment. AP-2 between Pina and Fraga and AP-68 between Zaragoza and Tudela have a 50% reduction.

All these reductions are paid by Aragonese government.


Spanish government is to increase 25% that reduction between Pina and Fraga (obviously 0% in the free tolled for trucks) and Zaragoza and Gallur

So,
AP-2 Alfajarín-Pina will remain free
AP-2 Pina-Fraga will be only 25% cost
AP-68 Zaragoza-Gallur will be only 25%
AP-68 Gallur-Tudela will remain 50%

All of them only for trucks and always providing electronic payment


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http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_.../131018-01.htm
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Old October 19th, 2013, 04:47 PM   #3998
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So, a trip between Zaragoza and Fraga would be only ~ €3 for a 2-axes truck and ~€4.5 for a bigger truck, right?


http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/F...agozaMedit.pdf
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Old October 19th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #3999
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And 9 for a car, I think. Am I right?
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Old October 20th, 2013, 03:07 PM   #4000
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These are the road works included in Spanish Government Budget for next year:

DGC

SEITTSA

The objectives are explained in the following documents:

Construction of new roads (program 453B)

Road conservation (program 453C)

Regards.
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