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Old December 1st, 2013, 05:31 PM   #4121
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You are right, IMHO the numbers are ok, but it's senseless to write them in the signs like that...

Those are simple access or local roads...

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The new website of the Spanish traffic management authority allows you to watch several cameras all over the country (except the Basque Country and Catalonia, which have their own traffic autorities). Previously, only Madrid was available.

Pick any province, then choose a road: http://www.dgt.es/es/el-trafico/camaras-de-trafico/
It has been "always" possible... I don't know if there was a list like this one, but the cameras were made availlable years ago...
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 10:34 AM   #4122
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You are right, IMHO the numbers are ok, but it's senseless to write them in the signs like that...

Those are simple access or local roads...
I think that using the road number or not in the highway signs should also depend on what you find when driving these roads. They show you that code only if you can actually see it when driving along that road.

Here you have SO-P-3052 road to Coscurita. As you can see, in the point where you want to take this road, no road code is shown. And of course, no milestones or signs along the road can be found:
http://goo.gl/maps/VJKm7

And the same happens with SO-P-4066 to Centenera del Campo.
http://goo.gl/maps/eYNoF

This is the Soria province (where this highway stretch is located) roads catalogue. You can see here the definition of these two roads, but the highway exit will be the only place where you will see those codes.
http://www.dipsoria.es/index.php/mod...90/idseccion.4
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 09:07 PM   #4123
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As well here you have a blog managed from a Spanish forumer.
http://www.geotren.es/autovias.html

Wow! That's spectacular. BUT I certainly think on the other side, that these projects of motorways with AADT 2000-4000 are absurd (A-81 outside Granada, for example, or I don't remember which little town along A-92-Jaen-Albacete and even a second route for this road to Sevilla-direction.
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Old December 2nd, 2013, 10:32 PM   #4124
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That projects are very unlikely to get built. 2000s madness (CM-41, A-40...) will not be back anytime soon.

There are more than 2000-4000 vehicles per day on the route of A-81 though. Especially in the stretches closer to cities, which are the ones being prioritized in planning stages.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #4125
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Today it is exactly 50 years ago the first tube of the Guadarrama Tunnel (AP-6) opened to traffic. The 2.870 meter long tunnel had two lanes and opened on December 4, 1963. It is currently in use as a reversible tube.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 06:30 PM   #4126
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Today it is exactly 50 years ago the first tube of the Guadarrama Tunnel (AP-6) opened to traffic. The 2.870 meter long tunnel had two lanes and opened on December 4, 1963. It is currently in use as a reversible tube.
Here you have vintage footage from NO-DO (year 1962) with images of the construction of this tunnel.
http://www.rtve.es/filmoteca/no-do/not-1005/1470539/
(Also, from minute 1:19 of the video, you can see works of construction of Ventas Bridge over future M-30)

From minute 1:16, more images of the construction works:
http://www.rtve.es/filmoteca/no-do/not-1025/1470576/

From minute 7:12, news about the inauguration of the tunnel:
http://www.rtve.es/filmoteca/no-do/not-1092/1469050/
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Old December 4th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #4127
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Some pictures, taken from here: http://historias-matritenses.blogspo...uadarrama.html







Maybe the first [modern] toll in Spain?
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Old December 4th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #4128
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It was the first toll in Spain, indeed
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Old December 17th, 2013, 01:09 AM   #4129
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Chris was faster than me writting in the opening motorway thread


The last A-8 stretch in the Asturian western side has been opened today

https://maps.google.es/maps?saddr=ot...=h&mra=ls&z=11


Press release in Spanish

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_.../131216-04.htm
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Old December 17th, 2013, 12:20 PM   #4130
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The last A-8 stretch in the Asturian western side has been opened today
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Old December 17th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #4131
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Good news! I think the A-8 is one of those autovías that should be finished despite its relatively low traffic, along with the A-7 in Southern Spain, A-66 Zamora-Benavente and A-62 to the Portuguese border.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #4132
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Good news! I think the A-8 is one of those autovías that should be finished despite its relatively low traffic, along with the A-7 in Southern Spain, A-66 Zamora-Benavente and A-62 to the Portuguese border.
Fortunately, A-7 in the south and A-8 in the north will be finished before the next elections, scheduled for November 2015.

Works on A-66 started this year, so I don't know if they will be finished by 2015. The missing stretch in A-62 has only a few km, but I don't know if they plan to open it so soon.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 03:21 PM   #4133
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Good news! I think the A-8 is one of those autovías that should be finished despite its relatively low traffic, along with the A-7 in Southern Spain, A-66 Zamora-Benavente and A-62 to the Portuguese border.
I would include the A-11 to the portuguese border, too.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #4134
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I would include the A-11 to the portuguese border, too.
The A-11 from Zamora to the Portuguese border will be built in the long term... By now, part of the connection from Northeastern Portugal to Spain is considered to be served via the A23 and A-75 in Chaves/Verín.

A more important priority would be finishing the A25 and A-62 link on the Vilar Formoso/Fuentes de Oñoro border.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #4135
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I would include the A-11 to the portuguese border, too.
According to the traffic maps released by Fomento (here), the current N-122 carries about 1,500 vehicles near the Portuguese border, then it goes up to 3,500 just west of Zamora. It's a very low traffic volume for a motorway, even for Spanish standards.

The autovías I mentioned carry at least between 5k and 16k vehicles per day (~12k for the stretch opened yesterday) and are missing links of very long corridors. The A-11 from Zamora to Portugal would be a 70 km long motorway with almost no traffic.

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I would include the A-11 to the portuguese border, too.
There's nothing down there. Just because there's a motorway at the other side of the border doesn't mean we must also have one. It's extremely unlikely that traffic will grow enough to justify a motorway.
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The existing road is generally a fast route as well, the only real problem is the Alcañices thoroughfare.
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There's nothing down there. Just because there's a motorway at the other side of the border doesn't mean we must also have one. It's extremely unlikely that traffic will grow enough to justify a motorway.
If we are talking about international connections, and this is one, it means that Spain should build a connection there. It´s the nearest way from Porto to central Europe and if the A4 remains toll-free it is also the cheapest one.
We wait 20 years to have the IP4 finished (international bridge) and will wait more 20 years to have a motorway connection.

Portugal could have build only until Bragança and save the costs for the 30km until the border.
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Old December 18th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #4139
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If we are talking about international connections, and this is one, it means that Spain should build a connection there. It´s the nearest way from Porto to central Europe and if the A4 remains toll-free it is also the cheapest one.
We wait 20 years to have the IP4 finished (international bridge) and will wait more 20 years to have a motorway connection.

Portugal could have build only until Bragança and save the costs for the 30km until the border.
Well, the old national road from Bragança to Spain through San Martín del Pedroso was just a crap...

Now, with the Portuguese motorway and its continuation in Spain as a 100 km/h national road avoiding the Maças river valley it works out fine.

As ChrishZwolle says, Alcañices throughfare is the stretch to be diverted with a by-pass. With the current traffic, a truck wouldn't notice a real difference or improvement with a motorway.
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Old December 18th, 2013, 02:40 PM   #4140
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The A-11 Tordesillas-Zamora exists because someone had the idea that every province capital should be connected to the rest of the autopista/autovía network. Let's see the AADT figures:

A-11 Tordesillas-Zamora (66 km): 6,000-4,500
A-15 Medinaceli-Soria (67 km): ~4,500
A-40 Tarancón-Cuenca (78 km): 3,800-4,900
A-58 Trujillo-Cáceres (48 km): 5,000-7,800
AP-51 Villacastín-Ávila (24 km): 6,700
AP-61 San Rafael-Segovia (28 km): 6,000

All of them carry below 10k vpd, some of them even below 5k. Such traffic levels are even lower than most of the "R" tolled roads, which are bankrupt now
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