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Old January 11th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #4241
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That's quite interesting. Do you mean that deaths were considered as a fixed fraction of the injured throughout the years, or something more sophisticated was used? Was this made to account for those not dead-on-the-spot?
The irtad links have a collection method comment for each country a few pages up from my referenced page.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 06:42 PM   #4242
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I agree... not urban fatalities and... always fatalities in the road (if it is in the hospital or several years later) those are not considered... but they are the same metrics than previous years.

They are not good to compare with other countries but quite good to compare year-to-year
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Old January 11th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #4243
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If Spain wants to take something positive from Italy, it would be the TUTOR system (section speed control). TUTOR did marvels for highway driving in Italy, reducing gross overspeeding.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 10:01 PM   #4244
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I don't think Spain really needs that. Italy was notorious for excessive speeding, but Spain not so much.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #4245
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Fomento has a major new construction advertisement out (as of yesterday):

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_...ncursos_obras/

This is the biggest since the A-66 Benavente-Zamora and obras de terminación in 2011.

Quick stats: 18 contracts; €420 million estimated total contract value; 18.1 GB total in construction documentation (available for download through the link above); 218 pattern-accurate sign panel detail sheets.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 08:49 PM   #4246
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If Spain wants to take something positive from Italy, it would be the TUTOR system (section speed control). TUTOR did marvels for highway driving in Italy, reducing gross overspeeding.
Please, please, don't let the Spanish authorities hear you. I just imagine driving between Barcelona and Málaga doing no more than 120 km/h and I want to drive no more.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 08:53 PM   #4247
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I am not sure what's TUTOR system is exactly, but some kind of section speed control (radar de tramo) has been installed along some particular stretches on Spanish motorways.

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Old January 12th, 2014, 09:10 PM   #4248
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Tutor is not just a speed camera: it controls average speed over a section several km long.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #4249
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Yes, a radar de tramo controls the average speed over a stretch of several km long too.

Tramo in Spanish means section or stretch, so on that sign Control de velocidad en tramo means something like Section speed control.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 10:19 PM   #4250
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Most of those average speed checks are only in tunnels. I believe A-1 and Z-40 have section controls that are not specifically in tunnels.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #4251
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Yes, you are right. If I am not wrong the first one was installed on the AP-6, in the Guadarrama tunnels, but now they are not only in tunnels.

Some of them, apart of the AP-6 in the tunnels, are on the AP-9F (A Coruña), Z-40 (Zaragoza), A-7 (Málaga), AP-66 (León) or A-4 (Jaén). Even, the City Council of Madrid is planning to install them on the M-30.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #4252
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Section control is much better than fixed-point speed traps. They make more sense, as it forces drivers to stick to the speed limit instead of just breaking dangerously near the speed trap then speeding up again.

Maybe 120 km/h is too low of a speed limit for cars. Spain could consider raising it to 140 km/h.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 10:47 PM   #4253
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The Spanish government is considering to raise the top speed to 130 km/h on some sections of motorways with really good design and a low proportion of accidents.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #4254
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Section control is much better than fixed-point speed traps. They make more sense, as it forces drivers to stick to the speed limit instead of just breaking dangerously near the speed trap then speeding up again.
How can they be better, they are like the embodiment of Satan as opposed to only Stasi

Hopefully Spaniards will start giving them the necklace as good EU citizens tend to do to fixed cameras
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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:51 PM   #4255
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Most of those average speed checks are only in tunnels. I believe A-1 and Z-40 have section controls that are not specifically in tunnels.
In Z-40... I exactly do not know what do we have NOW... but at least people don't drive over 120.

This is, there is a "stretch radar"... or there was. I am not sure if they are calculating the average speed or just the speed in the last camera.

Furthermore, they were using stretches where they have electronic pannels within 4 km or less. This is one of those cases, even if not having speed problems there.

Anyway, first camera (first electronic pannel) is located before A-23 cross and second one after A-23 cross.

So any car going to or coming from A-23 would not be applied in the stretch radar there just because they do not have recorded the entry or exit (there is a motorway cross in the middle).


Anyway, I am not sure but I think that first camera is disabled and second camera works as a normal radar, thus just a single radar.


I am not sure... nor the rest of drivers, so everybody respect 120...
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Old January 13th, 2014, 12:22 AM   #4256
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I drove through the section control on Z-40 once... but split in two parts, as I exited to Valdespartera .
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 06:22 PM   #4257
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Minister to visit A-12 works on Logroño

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_.../140121-01.htm
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Old January 27th, 2014, 01:37 AM   #4258
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Old January 31st, 2014, 03:33 PM   #4259
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A-22 environment report (for Sietamo-Huesca) has expired. It was five years ago when it was signed and works aren't on (furthermore, no contract has been released).

Nowadays politicians try to search for a solution and wanna talk to environment ministry.

It is quite easy

1- Make the same report than five years ago
2- No problems with its approval. Things haven't changed in these years
3- Talk to ECONOMY ministry to ask for funds
4- Start up ASAP!!!
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Old January 31st, 2014, 04:13 PM   #4260
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As soon as possible, do you mean?
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