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Old May 7th, 2014, 11:10 PM   #4361
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Sounds like a 26 meter cross-section. The outside shoulders are a bit narrow, but otherwise it's a normal motorway. It will likely have a 120 km/h speed limit.
Actually the 2,5 m wide outside shoulder is the standard for Spanish motorways and expressways (autopistas and autovías).

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Old May 7th, 2014, 11:19 PM   #4362
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2.5 m is too narrow in my opinion. A truck can't stop there without standing pretty much on the road marking, not to mention open a door, walk alongside, or do any repair.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 11:31 PM   #4363
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2.5 m is too narrow in my opinion. A truck can't stop there without standing pretty much on the road marking, not to mention open a door, walk alongside, or do any repair.
Yes, absolutely. I agree with you. However, probably because of the AADT of most of the Spanish motorways, usually it is not a problem, but according to me, they are too tight.

Which are the modern standards in other European countries? I think shoulders in the United Kingdom were really wide.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #4364
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I had to stop once in an emergency lane in Spain. It was the A-4 between Seville and Cordoba. It felt wider than the Italian emergency lane, but maybe it was just an impression.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 12:55 AM   #4365
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Well, depending on the motorway you drive in, the shoulders can vary, and you can find from really wide shoulders to other motorways which literally don't have shoulders... and it happens all around Europe.

However, at least in Spain, where usually you can find wider shoulders are in some of the first and older motorways (from the 70's), while most of cases where shoulders are too narrow are found on urban motorways and expressways and in some particular cases in some old autovías.

A particular case of a new expressway with narrow shoulders I remember now is the M-501 in Madrid. It is a regional autovía and the outer shoulders are really narrow. That's true that the design speed and the speed limit is 100 km/h, but for being a new expressway it is slightly out of standard.

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Old May 8th, 2014, 01:13 PM   #4366
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Yes, absolutely. I agree with you. However, probably because of the AADT of most of the Spanish motorways, usually it is not a problem, but according to me, they are too tight.

Which are the modern standards in other European countries? I think shoulders in the United Kingdom were really wide.
In Denmark the current standard is 3.0 m, but we have a lot of older motorways with 2,5 m standard.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #4367
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I had to stop once in an emergency lane in Spain. It was the A-4 between Seville and Cordoba. It felt wider than the Italian emergency lane, but maybe it was just an impression.
I think Italian shoulders are the narrowest in Europe. But they are compensated with high frequency SOS bays, which are abused as truck parking from what I've seen.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 11:22 AM   #4368
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BU-30 Burgos bypass

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Fomento has restarted the works on BU-30, the northern ring road of Burgos. The works were 34% done, so they need another 2 years or so (Fomento press releases don't specify planned completion dates anymore).

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It is a stretch of highway realignment of 9.1 km that runs through the municipalities Burgos, San Mames, Villalbilla and Alfoz of Quintadueñas. It runs westward - This between autonomic A-231 and Quintanadueñas, where it joins the section of the BU-30 Quintadueñas - Villatoro, also under construction.
If I got it right, the 9.1km BU-30 section begins at the A-231 and ends at the BU-622 near Quintadueñas (OSM). The next section b/n BU-622 and A-73 is also u/c (~3km; OSM), isn't it? What's about the next section b/n A73 and Villimar (~3km; OSM), is the 2nd carriageway u/c?

Is it planned to opened it entirely or each section? Does anyone have information when the works have been started (for the first time) or when the sections are planned to be opened?

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Old May 10th, 2014, 11:32 AM   #4369
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A-73 - Villímar is open to traffic with a single carriageway since at least 2011.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 11:54 AM   #4370
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Is it signposted as A-73 or BU-30? Well, I asked about the 2nd carriageway and the "realignmen" near the roundabout .
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Old May 10th, 2014, 11:59 AM   #4371
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I drove there in 2012 and... I think BU-30 but do not remember.

Southern side is as BU-30 to my best knowledge
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Old May 10th, 2014, 02:26 PM   #4372
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Yes, it is signposted as BU-30: https://www.google.es/maps/@42.37496...5tdsdWxOlQ!2e0
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Alserrod, works in N-330 (A-23's construction) had already been started in February 2009. I was sent some emails warning me of possible circulation cuttings when I had to take my emails.
What's more difficult to determine is whether they had been started in 2008's spring. My memories are vague.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #4374
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News about the A-21 (Pyrenees Motorway Pamplona-Jaca).

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Spanish Ministry of Public Works restarts works on the motorway A-21 section between the road A-1601 and the Sigüés exit, in the province of Saragossa. (link in Spanish)

The budget for this section, finished in a 19%, is 44 millions of euros.

This section will replace the current national road N-240, which would be convered by the waters of the Yesa reservoir extension. It will extend the motorway from the already in service section which reach the provincial border of Huesca. In this section it is important the construction of the viaduct over the Esca rive (989 m long)
This is a short section though with a long bridge which will need the 80% of the total budget for the section.

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Any information regarding completion date? (well, I know, not in the press release, but maybe in a newspaper article?)
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Any information regarding completion date? (well, I know, not in the press release, but maybe in a newspaper article?)
I have no idea.

The press releases and the articles I've read don't mention the completion date...
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Any information regarding completion date? (well, I know, not in the press release, but maybe in a newspaper article?)
To my best knowledge they are halted and works are only in Monrepos pass and near Nueno, A23
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We've talked about A21 news... Works have been resumed...
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Yes I know. What it happens is road N240 keeps different names in paralel motorways (about nine names I think).

A21 and A23 are together although first one is barely on going
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To my best knowledge they are halted and works are only in Monrepos pass and near Nueno, A23
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Yes I know. What it happens is road N240 keeps different names in paralel motorways (about nine names I think).
A21 and A23 are together although first one is barely on going
Ah, ok.

A23: Alto de Monrepos – Arguis 2 3.2km (? to 2014) – ? – map
A23: Congosto de Isuela – Nueno 2 4.4km (? to 2014) – ? – map

A23: Sabinanigo-East – Sabinanigo-South 12 2.6km (? to suspended) – ? – map
A23: Lanave – Caldearenas 2 14.4km (? to suspended) – ? – map
A23: Caldearenas – Alto de Monrepos 12 4.1km (? to suspended) – ? – map

Correct?

Any idea if the two sections will really be completed in 2014? Summer/Fall?
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