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Old May 26th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #4421
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this 2x2 section supports 95.000 veh/day (traffic in 2012 was only 72.000 veh/day, so there is an important increase)
What's the reason for that increase (+32%)?
Is it a shifting from a different road?
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Old May 26th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #4422
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What's the reason for that increase (+32%)?
Is it a shifting from a different road?
No, the rest of the surrounding road network keeps the same way. That's true that Villanueva de la Cañada and Villanueva del Pardillo are two town which are growing a lot because of the lower price of houses there, but recently new houses are not intensively built.

Officially, the new hospital (Hospital Puerta del Hierro-Majadahonda) and the increase of the economic activity in this area are the reasons explained by officials... But there is not real important urban differences in the area between 2012 and 2013. The hospital was opened several years ago...
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Old May 27th, 2014, 08:47 AM   #4423
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Are they planning to make changes to AP-68, or will it only become toll-free?


to my best knowledge it will be totally toll-free (no need to have a Via-T or so). This means to have toll booths coming from Zaragoza before Agoncillo and later after Navarrete (to pay toll and ask a new ticket through Bilbao). Agoncillo-Navarrete will be the Logroño overpass.

Nowadays Logroño has a 2x2 bypass but it is partially an orbital road limited to 80 with a great deal of internal movements.

The plan is to let LO-20 only for movements within Logroño and free-tolled A-68 for long distance.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 03:43 PM   #4424
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Now that is what you should be doing instead of building highways in the mountains parallel to 3 others.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 04:03 PM   #4425
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If it cost € 120 million just to make a short stretch toll-free, imagine what it would cost to make a couple of thousand kilometers of autopista's free. In many cases building a new autovía is cheaper for tax payers, if it is in flat terrain and the cost is only € 5 million/km.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #4426
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Now that is what you should be doing instead of building highways in the mountains parallel to 3 others.
Are you thinking in any particular case?
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Old May 27th, 2014, 04:52 PM   #4427
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Now that is what you should be doing instead of building highways in the mountains parallel to 3 others.
If costs are the same, it is always better to have 2 highways with 2 lanes each than 1 highway with 4 lanes.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #4428
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If it cost € 120 million just to make a short stretch toll-free, imagine what it would cost to make a couple of thousand kilometers of autopista's free. In many cases building a new autovía is cheaper for tax payers, if it is in flat terrain and the cost is only € 5 million/km.
Which is why we're getting new bypasses and improvements on roads such as N-340, that are parallel to a toll road. A wholly different approach than the one of France, which insists on downgrading toll-free roads by building roundabouts and reducing lanes without even thinking of a toll-free future for motorways.

In corridors with very heavy traffic, however, both countries agree that it's best having 2 parallel highways than a single (wide) one. I can think of A10 and N10 in France, or the future N7 parallel to A7 between Valence and Montélimar. I just can't imagine the chaos if a toll-free AP-7 in Benidorm got blocked by an accident in summer -bypasses on N-332 will still do a great job when tolls are removed (end of the decade).
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Old May 27th, 2014, 07:11 PM   #4429
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If costs are the same, it is always better to have 2 highways with 2 lanes each than 1 highway with 4 lanes.
I absolutely agree, but the maintenance of two roads also costs more than maintaining just one road.
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I absolutely agree, but the maintenance of two roads also costs more than maintaining just one road.
That is a fact, but for the moment construction costs in Spain are very low compared to the rest of Europe.
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But the roads also have to be maintained in the next decades... Annual costs...
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But the roads also have to be maintained in the next decades... Annual costs...
Considering that one road is maintained by a private company, it's even cheaper to build a two-lane motorway (and then maintain it) than rescue a toll road, widen it to cope with extra demand and then face the maintenance of a bigger road with more traffic.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #4433
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I have a question: what are future plans for completion of RM-1 in Murcia? It ends in the middle of nowhere....

The southern terminus is also substandard, with a roundabout instead of a full interchange with AP-7 in Sañ Javier
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I have a question: what are future plans for completion of RM-1 in Murcia? It ends in the middle of nowhere....

The southern terminus is also substandard, with a roundabout instead of a full interchange with AP-7 in Sañ Javier
In the Southern tip I have no idea if a full interchange is planned, but in the Northerm part if should be extended up to Santomera and the A-7 as part of the Eastern part of the Murcia ring road (MU-30).

If I am not wrong (or if the plans have changed) the full planned future situation for Murcia would be like the shown in this map:



The general strategy would be to build different new bypasses around Murcia to avoid the urban section of the existing motorways for reserving them just for local traffic.
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Looks ambitious
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Old May 27th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #4436
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Looks ambitious
It is. From that plan, actually, the motorway tagged as "Conexión suroeste" is the only one completed, the MU-31.

The following section to be built should be the "Autovía del Regerón" (Southern bypass) which would link the existing RM-1. Project is approved n 2012 but works didn't start, maybe because of cuts... I am not sure. Other urban axis are being built in the meanwhile (Costera Norte and Sur).
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And about the Mudéjar motorway A-23 (Sagunto-Jaca), between Monrepós and Sabiñánigo (northern Aragon)
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Spanish Ministry of Public Works restarts works in the Caldearenas-Lanave section in Huesca
Motorway A-23.

It is a 12 km long motorway section.
The investment is 78,3 millions of euros.
Estimated completion: 2016 (source).
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Are you thinking in any particular case?
Hiperronda, Alicante second by-pass, AP41, and all the plans of for example Hranada-Badajoz or Jaen.Albacete motorways, while for example they don't just add third lanes to A4 till Arganda and A5 until Navalcarnero.
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Hiperronda, Alicante second by-pass, AP41, and all the plans of for example Hranada-Badajoz or Jaen.Albacete motorways, while for example they don't just add third lanes to A4 till Arganda and A5 until Navalcarnero.
OK with that, but they are not the case where a new motorway is built parallel to three others as you said and particularly Madrid radials and new Alicante bypass are not in the middle of the mountains.

About the axis Granada-Badajoz and Jaén-Albacete, they are just plans by now.
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OK with that, but they are not the case where a new motorway is built parallel to three others as you said and particularly Madrid radials and new Alicante bypass are not in the middle of the mountains.

About the axis Granada-Badajoz and Jaén-Albacete, they are just plans by now.
But why do they invest billions on some Huesca motorways but can't add lanes to A-42, A-5, A-3 and A-1?
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