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Old May 28th, 2014, 11:31 PM   #4441
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But why do they invest billions on some Huesca motorways but can't add lanes to A-42, A-5, A-3 and A-1?
I think they respond to different cases.

The big improvement on the motorways around Madrid would be adding HOV lanes like on the A-6, instead of adding more and more lines. Because you can add more lanes up to a reasonable point. And within the M-40 adding more lanes would be extremely difficult and/or expensive. Finally, the capacity of a network or urban ways of absorbing vehicles is limited even if you increase capacity of the surrounding highways. Apart of investing more money in public transport and P+R facilities in Madrid for linking roads and public transport network.

Besides, there is a factor which usually is not considered on the radials around Madrid, and it is the M-50. The M-50 was part of the radials plans, but the Spanish Ministry of Public Works didn't pay for it, as it was part of the agreement with the private companies, and part of the concession was to built the new beltway for free as a toll free motorway. Anyway, I think most of the radials in Madrid are a mistake: considering the followed strategy and the particular trace of those roads.

But all those motorways around Madrid have nothing to do with the A-23, which is going to serve the Central Pyrenees. The N-330 suffers important traffic jams on holidays by people from Zaragoza and other parts of Spain. As well, it would offer an alternative to the Ebro axis between the Mediterranean and the Northern Coast, but even this last factor is secondary. It is about to finishing the network in that part of the country and improving the access to a mountainous area which is popular for tourists and travellers, and even is strategical for offering alternative links to France. The A-23 has an important role in this sense. Do you think it is an useless motorway?
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That motorway is, at the same time, European route E 07 and the shorter way from Barcelona to Bilbao o elsewhere in the Basque country.

Nowadays it hasn't many traffic due to it remains faster going through tolled motorway but just wait to have a non tolled motorway Barcelona-Bilbao and shorter...

By the way, several years ago it had, during ski season, a huge five hours congestion (it was the record, there are some days where it gets congested)
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Old May 28th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #4443
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That's it... the corridor formed by the A-21, A-22 and A-23 has multiple functions. Not only locals for improving the access to the Pyrenees, but as well within the long distance traffic between different parts of Spain and even between Aragon and Southern France.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #4444
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AP-41 (Madrid-Toledo)

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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #4445
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At least there are cars in those pics.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #4446
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A-40

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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #4447
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A-40 is not the Autovía de los Viñedos (Wineyards Motorway). A-40 is the motorway Ávila-Toledo-Cuenca-Teruel, it is named Autovía de Castilla-La Mancha and currently it is open only between Maqueda (A-5) and Toledo, and from Tarancón (A-3) to Cuenca.

The Autovía de los Viñedos is the CM-42 and goes from Toledo to Tomelloso (A-43) through Madridejos (A-4). Because of the color of the fences in the pics, that motorway is the CM-42.

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A-40 is not the Autovía de los Viñedos (Wineyards Motorway). A-40 is the motorway Ávila-Toledo-Cuenca-Teruel, it is named Autovía de Castilla-La Mancha and currently it is open only between Maqueda (A-5) and Toledo, and from Tarancón (A-3) to Cuenca.

The Autovía de los Viñedos is the CM-42 and goes from Toledo to Tomelloso (A-43) through Madridejos (A-4). Because of the color of the fences in the pics, that motorway is the CM-42.

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Old May 30th, 2014, 12:33 AM   #4449
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But why do they invest billions on some Huesca motorways but can't add lanes to A-42, A-5, A-3 and A-1?
Reivajar answered you quite well, but I'd also like to point that traffic levels on most of A-1 or A-5 do not justify a third lane despite being the main gateways in and out of Madrid.

A-21/A-22/A-23 system will dramatically improve the situation in Huesca province, which is by far the worst in Spain, road-wise.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 12:43 AM   #4450
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About A-22 the very last section to E07 was delayed due to a dispute about where to run it. Some wanted to put it away from a town, others wanted to push it far from a castle, and when finally they agreed on a routing the financial crisis broke out and no construction has taken place yet. Otherwise the motorway is complete, so most of the black points N-240 are gone now... except for the one that is located in the delayed section, with the infamous speed camera located just after a 70 km/h speed limit sign.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #4451
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About A-22 the very last section to E07 was delayed due to a dispute about where to run it. Some wanted to put it away from a town, others wanted to push it far from a castle, and when finally they agreed on a routing the financial crisis broke out and no construction has taken place yet. Otherwise the motorway is complete, so most of the black points N-240 are gone now... except for the one that is located in the delayed section, with the infamous speed camera located just after a 70 km/h speed limit sign.
Here?

http://goo.gl/maps/QmPVW
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Old May 30th, 2014, 02:11 AM   #4452
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La Pepa Bridge - CA-35 New access to Cádiz

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That project is rather slow... It was originally planned to be completed by 2012.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:47 AM   #4454
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Yeah

Just look at this... Barcelona - San Sebastian via Huesca.

Barcelona-Lleida A-2 non-tolled, on service
Lleida-Huesca A-22 non-tolled, on service until Sietamo (where you pointed), not started Sietamo-Huesca
Huesca-Jaca A-23 non-tolled, on service until Nueno, and Sabiñánigo-Jaca. Rest of streches, part of them on works, part of them halted
Jaca-Pamplona, almost road until Sigües area (10 km motorway non-tolled) and later motorway until Pamplona
Pamplona-San Sebastian, AP-15 (tolled), A-15 and A-1


https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Huesc...,318.57,,0,6.4



It will be the faster way to cross Sea to Sea and non-tolled. Nowadays one forumer has made the whole journey and said that via Huesca takes 20ish minutes more than via Zaragoza (all tolled)



Furthermore, A-23 is the E-07 there
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Old May 30th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #4455
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That project is rather slow... It was originally planned to be completed by 2012.
Yes, and probably it won't be finished before mid-2015.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 01:42 PM   #4456
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That project is rather slow... It was originally planned to be completed by 2012.
Yes, before March 19th, 2012 because that day was the 200th centennary of First Spanish Constitution written in Cadiz.

It's St. Joseph's, hence the name of the bridge (it was the nickname given to that Constitution)


In 1812 all continental Spain was under French occupation (Napoleon troops) except Cadiz area. Being in the middle of the battle, first constitution was written there. It didn't live too long, but enough to be remembered, either the city.
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Actually, I think the official name of the bridge is Constitution of 1812 Bridge, isn't it? La Pepa Bridge is just the most popular nickname, but not used in official documents.
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Google stopped showing San Sebástian as Donostia/San Sebástian. Now it is only Donostia.
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Google stopped showing San Sebástian as Donostia/San Sebástian. Now it is only Donostia.
Google is pretty "moody" when displaying names of cities especially in the Spanish Basque Country. Some months ago, they displayed for several months Bilbo instead of Bilbao (and by far, Bilbo is the less used endonym referring to one of the Basque capitals, and now it is again Bilbao the name displayed).

Edit Maps is not available for Spain in Google Maps (I don't understand why), so probably somebody complaints about the used toponym and Google changed it. Probably or somebody had good contacts within Google Spain or whatever... However, usually they are really dumb and absurd about changing and correcting mistakes on the maps. I remember once, I report a name change in one street, and even I provided them a link to the press release provided by the city council and other references, and two week after they replied me they didn't understand what I wanted to change and that they had contradictory data.... whatever.

Lately I tend to ignore many of the criteria used by Google Maps. They are erratic, changeable, had tons of mistakes on the maps, the new graphic design is much less user friendly... They are just useful because of Street View and because the amount data they have. But out of that they are a mess and pretty crappy. Many times Google Maps is just dissapointing...

About the toponyms of Spanish cities, they should just follow the official catalog by the Spanish Government: it is pretty stable, it mostly reflects the official and popular opinion of people in Spain, it is the used in every official institution and publication, etc... The other option would be showing names in exonyms as far as possible depending on the language you're using like Bing Maps, but I prefer the first option.

Actually Donostia is well-known all around Spain and it is used even by not Basque speakers from other regions of Spain, but I am sure that out of France (at most) it is pretty unknown as city name... so, a crap for foreigners...

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Old May 30th, 2014, 06:34 PM   #4460
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Sorry for off topic...

Surfing in google maps I've seen the Spanish-Portuguese border written in Catalan...
(as well as many other mistakes about a motorway on works pointed as opened)
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