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Old November 28th, 2007, 08:01 PM   #441
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If I remember correct the Autovias used to have a bidirectional lane that changed headway during rush hour and at places there were level crossings, are there still any of that left?
Kinda dangerous for a foreigner coming to spain and driving along what he thinks is a motorway just to find out there are cars driving against his direction in the passing lane.
On autovias?? No it's not like that nor has it ever been like that.
Maybe on some urban avenues/expressways like x-type refered, but definitely not common.
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Old November 28th, 2007, 08:46 PM   #442
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Thank you for the pics Chris. Green signs still looks so weird to me in Spain. They are pretty cool though.

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If I remember correct the Autovias used to have a bidirectional lane that changed headway during rush hour and at places there were level crossings, are there still any of that left?
Kinda dangerous for a foreigner coming to spain and driving along what he thinks is a motorway just to find out there are cars driving against his direction in the passing lane.
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On autovias?? No it's not like that nor has it ever been like that.
Maybe on some urban avenues/expressways like x-type refered, but definitely not common.
The only bidirectional lane I know in autovias is the one located in the 20 first kilometers of A6 between Madrid-Moncloa and Las Rozas. In the morning it allows the entry of workers to the capital and in the afternoon it changes the headway. It's not common at all in autovías.
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Old November 28th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #443
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That one on the Diagonal it's a urban road mainly, and there are many many signs along the way.

In some periods like holidays endings (return operation) or holidays starts (operación salid) the they exceptionally use a lane from the other sense to ease the traffic. They call it "additional lanes". This only happens in the Iberian peninsula. We don't have that peak periods on the islands, but a sustained higher traffic all summer long
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Old November 28th, 2007, 10:28 PM   #444
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This is the Diagonal Avenue in Barcelona. You can see the signs which allow you to use a lane or not.


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This is the A-6 near Madrid. The two lanes are called "carril bus/VAO" (literally: lane for busses/highly occupied vehicles"). You cannot use it unless you carry more than two people in your car (or you are a bus driver, policeman, etc).



And this is the "carril adicional" (additional lane) Booze says. It's rarely used, only on July/August 1st/15th/31st near bigger cities, when the people go on holidays or return home. Obviously it is under surveillance by traffic agents, apart from having traffic cones. There are specific rules for these lanes: The maximum speed is 80km/h, you have to turn the lights on when driving on it, and only cars (no buses, trailers...) can use it.

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Old November 28th, 2007, 10:57 PM   #445
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Old November 28th, 2007, 11:30 PM   #446
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i like the diagonal boulevard in Barcelona it reminds me of Broad Street in Newark,New Jersey
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Old November 28th, 2007, 11:42 PM   #447
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i like lateralas at Diagonal
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Old November 28th, 2007, 11:50 PM   #448
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I ended up hating it. It's impossible to cross it at once (unless you run). And in some crossroads, cars turning left have green sign at the same time as pedestrians trying to cross it. Of course pedestrians should have preference but we all know what happens...

Its buildings, however, are quite nice
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Old November 29th, 2007, 12:35 AM   #449
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This is the Diagonal Avenue in Barcelona. You can see the signs which allow you to use a lane or not.


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Avinguda Diagonal "cuts" Barcelona in a diagonal straight line from mountains to the sea and it is 12-13 kilometres long!


Gran Via de les Corts Catalanes "cuts" Barcelona from river Llobregat to river Besòs in a straight line and it is 14-15 kilometres long:
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Avinguda Diagonal "cuts" Barcelona in a diagonal straight line from mountains to the sea and it is 12-13 kilometres long!


Gran Via de les Corts Catalanes "cuts" Barcelona from river Llobregat to river Besòs in a straight line and it is 14-15 kilometres long:

and they cut each other at Glories rondo.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 04:31 AM   #451
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and they cut each other at Glories rondo.
Together with the big Avinguda Meridiana too, the 3 main avenues meet in Glòries huge roundabout:
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Old November 29th, 2007, 05:31 AM   #452
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gr8 pics wow unexpectedly cool
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Old November 29th, 2007, 05:32 AM   #453
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And this is the "carril adicional" (additional lane) Booze says. It's rarely used, only on July/August 1st/15th/31st near bigger cities, when the people go on holidays or return home. Obviously it is under surveillance by traffic agents, apart from having traffic cones. There are specific rules for these lanes: The maximum speed is 80km/h, you have to turn the lights on when driving on it, and only cars (no buses, trailers...) can use it.

I believe what you say, but I've seen the reversible lane, getting to Seville by A-49 highway, on random sunday evenings during spring, summer or early fall more than "exceptionally". I know it might be an special case though, that road is the way to the beaches for a quite big town which stands close to the coast (what means lots of people going to spend the day to the beach), and then that traffic merges with the one that comes from the most populated zone of the metropolitan area, which uses that highway as way of access to the central town as well. All that's explanatory, specially considering that A-49 highway has only two lanes for each direction in the most of it. But still there might be other similar cases around the country, I've heard something about those additional lanes in Barcelona, for making easier the access to the city in these moments, because of the chaos generated after the suspension of train services.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 03:56 PM   #454
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Really? My mistake. I said that because I've seen them when travelling during the summer "special days" through Madrid region (on the A-1 and A-4), but never on random Sundays (in April or September for example). However Seville must be a special case, as the beaches are quite close and the weather is warmer.

As for the additional lanes in Barcelona, as far as I know those lanes were not "additional" (in order to get one more lane in one direction) but "reserved" for the public transport, police cars, ambulances, etc. But I haven't recently been to Barcelona, so all I know is what I've heard/read, so perhaps I'm mistaken again
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Sometimes, they put additional lanes at Barcelona roads, mainly in holidays periods.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 08:18 PM   #456
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My mistake
Not really, I'm sure that this case is a very peculiar one.


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As for the additional lanes in Barcelona, as far as I know those lanes were not "additional" (in order to get one more lane in one direction) but "reserved" for the public transport, police cars, ambulances, etc. But I haven't recently been to Barcelona, so all I know is what I've heard/read, so perhaps I'm mistaken again
I don't know either, but that makes more sense, certainly .
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lol I just noticed that the picture you posted above shows in fact the A49 highway within Seville urban area.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 04:03 PM   #458
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Before R-5 toll motorway construction, A-5 expressway in Madrid used to have additional lane not only in holiday periods, but in a lot of weekends. It was very usual, and that's why that expressway has special line signs from Madrid (M-40) to Navalcarnero (a 21 km stretch).

A-49 is (or was) not the only special usual case of additional lanes, and I imagine there will be more cases.
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The A-23 between Teruel and Valencia is completed after 11 years of work. The Autovía Mudéjar runs from Valencia to Zaragoza. In 2008, the final 30km somewhere between Teruel and Zaragoza will be completed, giving a full link between these two large cities.
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Some Barcelona pics found on Google Earth;

B-10 Ronda del Litoral


Avenida del Litoral (adjacent to B-10 Autopista)


Avenida Diagonal from Ronda de Dalt


B-20 Ronda de Dalt


B-20 bridge in Santa Coloma de Gramenet.


B-24 nortwest of Barcelona.


Again B-24
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