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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #4601
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A-62

1-View from Ciudad Rodrigo (direction Fuentes de Oñoro)


2-Direction Salamanca

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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #4602
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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:46 PM   #4603
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Most Catalan regional-government financed, toll-free motorways have been built with shadow tolls. C-25, C-16, C-35/C-65/C-31, C-17 and C-15 use shadow tolls, and also single-carriageway expressways such as C-15/C-37 between Vilafranca del Penedès and Manresa. Other highways were incorporated to this system after being built as a compensation for an upgrade or another project, such as C-17 between Centelles and Vic, which was built as a dual-carriageway road in 1995 and upgraded to motorway standards (with shadow tolls) in 2010, with the upgrade being mostly cosmetic touches like signage and new crashbarriers. You can find more information on these projects in the Cedinsa website (the concessionaire).

Regional motorways in Castilla-La Mancha (CM-42, CM-40, CM-41, CM-45) have also been financed using shadow tolls.

In Galicia, AG-11 and AG-41 do also use this system. Not sure about other motorways such as AG-53 and AG-64.

And in Murcia, nearly all regional motorways (RM-1, RM-2, RM-3...) have been built this way.

In Madrid there are also M-501 and M-503. AFAIK, the first motorway built using shadow tolls in Spain was M-45 in Madrid.

There may be more cases, but these are the ones that come to mind. There are no state-owned motorways built with shadow tolls, only the already-mentioned upgrades of radial autovías. I think A-66 between Benavente and Zamora is being built with a PPP system, but I don't know the details of it.

Also C-14 between Reus and Alcover uses shadow toll.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 02:46 AM   #4604
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That is correct. I think it's not the case for C-13 though.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 02:36 PM   #4605
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It seems that most of the motorways built by regional governments used this "shadow toll" system.

Also:

-The A-601 Segovia-Valladolid and the A-231 Burgos-León in Castilla y León.
-The A-12 and the A-21 in Navarra.

Navarra, Bizkaia, Gipuzkoa and Álava/Araba own and manage all the roads and motorways within their respective territories, except for the AP-68.

Navarra chose the PPP system for their stretches of the A-12 and the A-21, that's why they were built so quickly compared to the rest of the A-12 and A-21.

The other 3 territories decided to build "physically tolled" motorways, such as the AP-1 between Vitoria and Éibar or the bypasses of Bilbao or San Sebastián (AP-8). However, it seems that these motorways aren't getting as much traffic as expected. In fact, the provincial government of Gipuzkoa wanted to install a toll system in the A-15, A-1 and GI-632 (which are now toll-free) in order to get more money.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 03:14 PM   #4606
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A-231 Burgos-León
Except the Valdeagorfa-Arnes section.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 05:09 PM   #4607
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Old September 5th, 2014, 05:10 PM   #4608
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They still point "parador" hotels in new signals!!
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Old September 5th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #4609
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They still point "parador" hotels in new signals!!
What exactly determines whether a facility is a "parador" ?
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Old September 5th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #4610
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Parador ("Parar" = "Stop") is a public luxurious hotel network

This is its webpage in English
http://www.parador.es/en

First one was opened in 1928 and the network was quite well promoted by Franco, building several ones quite well-known.

BTW, my favourite one is in Leon,
https://www.google.es/maps/place/Le%...849ffad4f1eef3

but Santiago one is not bad at all
https://www.google.es/maps/place/San...146888c087e311


For a long time it was very often to see signals pointing the nearest one, although it wasn't as a city where you have to cross or so but a destination (and an ad too)


But I haven't seen new signals with Parador hotels pointed (except inside a city where it is one more hotel)


They are public (property of the government) and managed by a public entreprise.
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Old September 6th, 2014, 09:29 AM   #4611
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Sevilla and Kansas city on the same road sign
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Old September 6th, 2014, 01:53 PM   #4612
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A touch of America in the deepest of Spain
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Old September 6th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #4613
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That particular stretch of road does resemble US.
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Old September 6th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #4614
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Sevilla and Kansas City are sister cities, so one of the most important avenues in Sevilla has this name and all the people who arrives to the city using the airport or coming from northeast Spain enter in the city through this avenue.

Moreover, in 1992 Kansas City did this present to Sevilla, which is situated in that avenue
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estatua_del_Explorador


In change there is a Giralda in Kansas
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Old September 9th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #4615
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Tomorrow night there will be a fire simulation on Monrepos tunnelS (current N-330, future A-23).

I guess it is one of the final steps before opening both tunnels for traffic

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_.../140908-04.htm
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Old September 13th, 2014, 02:44 AM   #4616
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Somport tunnel, N-330, border with France is closed due to a toxic leakage since friday 17:00
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Old September 16th, 2014, 07:35 PM   #4617
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I will be visiting Spain for the first time an I have a few questions about speed limits:

Is all this written below true? Source is wikipedia, so I's sceptic:
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100 km/h on: a) one-way roads, b) roads with more than two lanes, or c) roads with shoulders at least 1.5 m wide; 90 km/h elsewhere.
On two-way roads, cars and motorbikes are allowed to go 20 km/h over the speed limit in order to overtake a slower vehicle in a shorter amount of time.
Build-up areas, and therefore 50 km/h, are indicated by white signs with black letters, is that right?
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Old September 16th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #4618
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Yes, they are. Anyway... Only in small roads you ought be confused.

In main roads you will not find any problem. Either because road bypass either because too easy to recognise.

Anyway I would state that always the 50 sign is posted
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Old September 16th, 2014, 09:29 PM   #4619
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The part that says that you can go 20km/h over the limit only applies if there isn't a "specific" speed limit.

For instance, imagine a stretch of road with 1.5m wide shoulders but with a speed limit of 80 km/h because you're approaching a town. In that case, you're not allowed to overtake at 100 km/h (80+20), but at 80km/h.

So, you're only allowed to overtake at 120 km/h (or 110 km/h) if the actual speed limit is 100 km/h (or 90 km/h, respectively).
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Old September 16th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #4620
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20 km/h more only to overpass another car.
Rest of time... Radars have a 10% accuracy only.
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