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Old September 24th, 2014, 10:16 AM   #4641
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section control - average speed check - control de velocidad en tramo
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Old September 24th, 2014, 10:23 AM   #4642
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In my region only one in just one direction.

Few ones at all
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Old September 24th, 2014, 10:26 AM   #4643
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Is there sector-control camera speed enforcement in Spain?
There are a few of them. They started to be installed like 2 or 3 years ago.

Here you have the location of the first ones installed. The date of this post is 2012, but I think that no many more have been installed since then.

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Old September 24th, 2014, 11:32 AM   #4644
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In Catalonia there are actually 4 of them:

http://www10.gencat.cat/gencat/AppJa...n340ilac65.jsp
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Old September 24th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #4645
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Galicia roads

1-AC-164


2-AC-164


3-VG-1.4 (on the way to Finisterra)


4-AC-550

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Old September 25th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #4646
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Is it trure that Madrid will block 22km² for car traffic this December and charge € 90 for the drivers who dare to drive within it :O ?
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Old September 25th, 2014, 01:19 AM   #4647
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Yes and no...


People who doesn't live there will be able to go to a parking.

Cameras will record plates and incidences. For instance, if you enter there it is mandatory to go to a parking and only using mean streets. If your plate isn't recorded on a parking you'll be fined.
But if the parking is busy and you cannot enter, you won't.


But... for other reasons, better take the underground or commuter
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Old September 25th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #4648
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Is it trure that Madrid will block 22km² for car traffic this December and charge € 90 for the drivers who dare to drive within it :O ?
Here you have the English version of El Pais with the new measure:
http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/09/22/...50_166057.html

And here you have the map. Embajadores and Cortes neighborhoods are already controlled by this system. Sol-Palacio has been the new are to be controlled. And the Northern areas of the old town (Universidad and Justicia) are still to be considered.

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Old September 25th, 2014, 12:27 PM   #4649
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In case you don't understand Spanish: streets in light purple will be free to use for all vehicles. Residents won't have any restriction, either, same as vehicles en route to a car park. Motorcycles will be restricted to the daytime, and delivery vans only from 10.00 to 13.00 in work days.
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Old September 25th, 2014, 02:34 PM   #4650
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Spain has definitely got the Green Virus.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 12:52 PM   #4651
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This is only the beginning -they are planning additional measures, such as lowering speed limits to 80 km/h (or even 50!) on all urban freeways inside M-40. Such a measure was already implemented in Barcelona, but it was dropped as air quality didn't improve significantly, nor did road safety.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #4652
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Cleaner vehicles have more impact on air quality than lower speed limits, especially now that the 1990s and earlier vehicle fleet is increasingly being phased out. This is especially notable in the past 5 years, most diesel cars are now equipped with particle filters and trucks are mostly of a modern euro emission standard class.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 08:24 PM   #4653
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I know. We all know. But the idea of reducing speed limits as a "joker" for all anti-pollution/congestion measures is still stuck deep in our governments. The French are doing the same thing around big cities such as Marseille, and during this term the Spanish central government has been preparing a law that will impose mandatory speed limits in all motorways depending on how far they are from a city. The creation of low-emission zones like in Germany or Italy is, however, unclear, as restrictions will be decided by local governments -which is scary, given that there are cities like Zaragoza or Pontevedra that have been already implementing very strict anti-car measures (such as city-wide 30 km/h speed limits).

All political parties seem to favor this regulations so this is only the beginning.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 08:31 PM   #4654
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What are the restrictions in such low-emission zones in Italy or Germany? I've seen them, but I'm not sure it is just about increasing parking fares (just like the low-emission areas in Madrid), or about traffic restriction for residents as the APR shown in the map I've posted.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 08:43 PM   #4655
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What are the restrictions in such low-emission zones in Italy or Germany?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-emission_zone

Germany: Almost all vehicles fulfill the conditions (meanwhile).
Speed limits are also implemented, e.g. in the Stuttgart area: B10/B313 b/n A81 Zuffenhausen and A8 Wendlingen 80 for cars, 60 for trucks.
There was a study that in one case the speed limit increased the emissions....
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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:39 PM   #4656
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What are the restrictions in such low-emission zones in Italy or Germany? I've seen them, but I'm not sure it is just about increasing parking fares (just like the low-emission areas in Madrid), or about traffic restriction for residents as the APR shown in the map I've posted.
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But every municipality sets the restrictions.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:44 PM   #4657
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So, finally the concept is not that different from the Residents Priority Areas in Madrid.

How is the equivalent to those areas in Barcelona?
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Old September 27th, 2014, 08:03 PM   #4658
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Well why don't the masses complain?! This is stupid, I would never expect this from PP!
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Old September 27th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #4659
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A single example... the city of Huesca made a huge pedestrian project on city centre one year ago.

They improved local bus (yeah... first new bus service user can say here "helllooooooo" and post the ticket again) and it is possible to go by car only to underground parkings and following specific streets.


And the rest of city centre remains closed to cars.
There are exceptions. For instance, any citizen with a garage can drive through pedestrian streets just to go there. And loading/unloading vans are allowed within 45 minutes with a permission (there are almost one permission every five citizens... but 45 minutes, no more, or fined!!!).

I post some pictures taken in April by myself. They were taken in the same point (just turning 180º but the same street, one with works not started, the other one was almost finished)


You can see here how the city centre has changed.

Huesca has about 50.000ish inhabitants but it is a province capital and it is the reference city in a lot of km around



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Old September 28th, 2014, 12:13 AM   #4660
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There's nothing wrong with a pedestrian-friendly or pedestrian-only city centers. Historic city centers as in most of Europe were not built for traffic and the population demographic is different from other areas, with a lower car ownership and fewer families.
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