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Old September 28th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #4661
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I strongly agree.

Just google here
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.13725...xxaGputRqQ!2e0

and... it was the image of my first picture some time ago... look at the change.

But re-pedestrian area had several strong points...

Huesca is a small city (city... it is a capital, had the 4th oldest university in Spain and cathedral) with barely congestion.
It was so easy to drive in the city that people took the car to make a small journey or so.

Nowadays, in peak hours they have one bus every 20 minutes. Improving public transport was a strong point. They have two circle lines making something like a star (going outside, coming to centre, going outside again... while they make a tour to the city, either clockwise or anticlockwise).

In addition, people living there is free to drive to their home but no one else. Only loading... and if they want to stop for a while in a cafeteria, they must do it out of the pedestrian area (or within the 45 minutes gap... or paying a fine).


When they closed city centre to traffic, works started but they didn't close a street just when works were to be started but... all at the same time.
This is... there are some street (such as the second picture I posted) where asphalt remains but it is forbidden to drive there. Pedestrians can use the whole street (anyway, people is not used to walk over the asphalt there) even if it is not refurbished as pedestrian.


Huesca is not the biggest city in Spain at all (it is the third smaller capital and there are many other ones bigger than it) but can be a good example about how to stop cars in the centre.

Making a tour around the city (old city is a hill and you may enter from the north while all city centre is in the southern side looking from the hill), you are able to go to any car park in the city centre, anyway.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #4662
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Is Huesca the capital or Aragón?
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Old September 28th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #4663
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No, it isn't. It is Zaragoza.

Huesca is 72 km away from Zaragoza, the 2nd largest city.

Anyway, the "capital" means only where the parliament is located and few other things.
The real fact is that Zaragoza has almost 700.000 inhabitants (more than half of Aragon) and Huesca, being the second largest, 50.000ish people
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Old October 5th, 2014, 06:14 PM   #4664
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The plan proposed by the Municipality of Madrid about enlarging the Residential Priority Areas in the city center (posted above) has been cancelled by now as after the last meetings there is no consensus among the different concerned associations and organizations.

http://www.abc.es/madrid/20141005/ab...410042046.html (in Spanish).
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Old October 6th, 2014, 02:35 PM   #4665
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The HOV lanes in C-58 near Barcelona have been converted to a two-way facility after traffic not having met the expectations (it was always below 4,000 vehicles per day). Maintenance costs were also very high, since they had to be opened and closed several times a day as they operated inbound in the morning, outbound in the afternoon and they were closed at night. They will now be open 24/7.

I recorded a video of them shortly after their re-opening. I shot it at night so you can see the funky lighting of "Carril BUS-VAO". This is one of only two facilities like this in Spain (the other one is in A-6 in Madrid), and the only one that's two-way. It's even got its own route number -C-58cc, where "cc" stands for "calçada central" (center carriageway).



The cones in the median are not permanent; they were only placed as an additional measure to remind drivers of the change in the road layout.

In case you were curious, this is "Carril BUS-VAO" in its original layout:

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Old October 6th, 2014, 03:36 PM   #4666
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Is it sill a bus+HOV only lane?
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Old October 6th, 2014, 03:44 PM   #4667
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Is it sill a bus+HOV only lane?
Apart from buses and cars or vans with 2+ passengers, electric/hybrid vehicles and persons with reduced mobility can also use it, as well as motorcycles. When it opened restrictions were the same except for cars (it was a 3+ lane). The three-passenger restriction was lifted few months after.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #4668
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HOV lanes don't make sense in areas with decent public transport. That's the reason why there are almost no HOV lanes of motorways in Europe.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #4669
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HOV lanes don't make sense in areas with decent public transport. That's the reason why there are almost no HOV lanes of motorways in Europe.
As of today, everyone agrees that this project was a complete waste of money. When it was proposed and built, money was available and the greens were in the regional government, so there were a lot of wacky transport-related measures going on -especially the 80 km/h speed limit in all urban motorways and these HOV lanes. The conversion of them to a 24/7, two-way facility is intended to make it more efficient without necessarily improving usage levels -they are expected to stay below 4,000 vehicles per day.

They don't save you a lot of time, either. Inbound, you lose a good deal of what you've won when you arrive at the stoplight. Plus, during most of the time mainline C-58 will flow at 80-120 km/h. You can't exceed 90 km/h in Carril BUS-VAO and you're very likely to encounter some moron doing 70 km/h so that you'll actually lose time.

Another downside is that you can't enter Nus de la Trinitat interchange directly. There's a purpose-built exit that spares you the weaving, but you still have to go through several traffic lights, when the procedure is completely free-flowing through mainline C-58. I sketched it up over a Google Maps screenshot so that you can understand it:



In red, the route to Ronda Litoral from Carril BUS-VAO. In green, same route when coming from mainline C-58, and in black the stoplights you must go through. As you can see, it's poorly designed, and it is only helpful for drivers entering or leaving Barcelona via Avinguda Meridiana, and not for those taking the ringroad -which are a big part of C-58 traffic. This is a bit of a paradox given that it was conceived to please the greens -those who want to take traffic out of the city at all cost.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #4670
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A-23 Huesca - Jaca

La ministra de Fomento, Ana Pastor, asistirá mañana viernes, 10 de octubre, a la puesta en servicio del tramo Arguis-Alto de Monrepós de la A-23, en la provincia de Huesca.

Another segment of A-23 opens to traffic tomorrow at 17:00 hrs. Is this the 3.2 km segment?
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Old October 9th, 2014, 10:14 PM   #4671
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Thank you very much...

It will be first Monrepos tunnel.

You will approach until Arguis with a 2x2 motorway. Then 1x1 for about 2,5 km and after tomorroy, 2x2 again with the first tunnel. It is a 1,45 km tunnel, thus the 3 km motorway stretch.

After the tunnel, mountain pass will remain in both directions and just arriving Sabiñanigo we have a new A-23 motorway opened this July.

I know that somewhere in the northern side of Monrepos works keep on, but not the whole stretch
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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #4672
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La ministra de Fomento, Ana Pastor, asistirá mañana viernes, 10 de octubre, a la puesta en servicio del tramo Arguis-Alto de Monrepós de la A-23, en la provincia de Huesca.

Another segment of A-23 opens to traffic tomorrow at 17:00 hrs. Is this the 3.2 km segment?
Yup, Arguis-Monrepos summit (although it stops two km before the actual summit), which is basically a tunnel and its approach, down to exit 381. I'll try to be there. The worst thing, is that the Isuela gorge-Arguis section, between this one and the longest continuous A-23 section (378 km, all the way to Sagunto), is stopped and won't restart until at least 2016, so it will be a bottleneck.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:47 PM   #4673
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And a black spot going to Huesca
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Old October 10th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #4674
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Breaking news


As said, A-23 has 3,2 more km. since toda

Current situation


From this point https://www.google.es/maps/place/221...3703a3d30b4f29 to the south, full completed

First tunnel with a doubled lane (two tunnels) and 2x2 since today
https://www.google.es/maps/place/221...3703a3d30b4f29

(only first tunnel!!)

This side is currently on works
https://www.google.es/maps/place/221...3703a3d30b4f29


And it is announced that the other two stretches will keep on while 2014

this one (incuiding a 3 km tunnel)
https://www.google.es/maps/place/221...3703a3d30b4f29

and this short one (but mainly tunnel)
https://www.google.es/maps/place/221...3703a3d30b4f29
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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:31 PM   #4675
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A-23

Pastor anuncia la reactivación de dos nuevos tramos de la A-23 en 2015

Se trata de los tramos Congosto del Isuela-Arguís y Alto de Monrepós-Caldearenas. Además, los Presupuestos incluyen una partida para continuar las obras en el tramo Caldearenas-Lanave, reactivadas en 2014.
Construction will be resumed on two segments of A-23, which connect to the section opened to traffic today.

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_.../141010-03.htm
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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #4676
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That's right... nowadays you have motorway about 5 km after Nueno cross.
After it, about 2 km single road (which will require a new tunnel). Works are halted and will be kept again in 2015 according to press release.
It will be a bottle neck

Later, 3 km motorway where a doubled tunnel (1,45 km) to approach summit. It is expected to have lane through Jaca via a new tunnel and through Huesca using current summit road.

After these tunnels, works are halted again and it is expected to have works again in 2015.

Finnally, being in the last side of the mountain pass and until Lanave village, works are on going currently


From Lanave to 3 km before Sabiñanigo there are no news

In the easter side of Sabiñanigo, several km were opened in July.

Last side of Sabiñanigo overpass is to have a new project due to environmental issues.

And Sabiñanigo-Jaca is opened since several years ago.
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Great news. As I said earlier, the Isuela gorge-Arguis section is now a gap in the motorway and will be surely a bottleneck for the next few years. I've already seen some pavement on the Caldearenas-Lanave section. When this strecht, the Monrepos summit-Caldearenas and the section that opened today are complete, the old road across the pass will be restored for slow vehicles. Due to lack of space, between Nueno and Arguis the motorway won't (already doesn't since it's open up to the Isuela gorge) have any vehicle restrictions.
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It was for 20 years back in the 12th Century.
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Old October 16th, 2014, 03:17 PM   #4678
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Barcelona city council is negotiating with Fomento the transformation of Ronda Litoral (B-10) in Morrot area. Basically, they want this 40-year old viaduct to be torn down and replace it with a layout similar to the one in other sections of Ronda Litoral and Ronda de Dalt: an expressway-grade lower level with 2x2 lanes for through traffic, and an upper level that would be a 1+1 city street. This is part of a large urban renewal project that will redevelop the areas of the port closest to downtown, now that the expansion to the South is complete (a motorway access to the new areas of the port is also planned).

Financing is, as usual, the biggest problem right now. Right now, under the viaduct there's a railway yard that will be moved, but apparently Fomento does not want to give the land to the council. Morrot viaduct is the worst bottleneck in Ronda Litoral; it carries 100,000+ vehicles a day in 2x2 narrow lanes. The proposed plan will not add any capacity, but it will at least make the area much nicer -it's currently one of the ugliest, dirtiest parts of the city. Plus, the upper level will be accessible to everyone. As of today, only authorized vehicles can bypass this viaduct, as the current lower level is part of the port premises.

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On a side note, it's amazing how dumb journalists can be -apart from the title saying "Ronda Litoral will become a promenade", which is really far from reality, the author of the article labels this infrastructure as "complex", which reveals how "simple" his understanding of the project is. God, three quarters of the city's ringroad are that "complex".
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Old October 16th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #4679
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What is the status of the TF-1 in Tenerife? It seems like the extension from Adeje to Santiago del Teide has been completed for at least a year, but it hasn't been opened.
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What is the status of the TF-1 in Tenerife? It seems like the extension from Adeje to Santiago del Teide has been completed for at least a year, but it hasn't been opened.
The first half of the U/C stretch opened this summer (see press release). The most recent opening date for the last section is the first half of 2015 (see news article).
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