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Old December 18th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #4781
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That A-334 sounds like something like AP-41 or CM-40 for me... Is it built for guys picking olives?
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Old December 18th, 2014, 02:50 PM   #4782
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That A-334 sounds like something like AP-41 or CM-40 for me... Is it built for guys picking olives?
Extracting marble, its one of the riches areas in Andalucia (or was in the building burble era, now i don't know, but marble can be exported and it was of very high quality). The motorways was because of the high use for truck transporting the marble blocks.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:03 PM   #4783
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What are chances of a new Guadalajara- Collado Villalba arch?
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #4784
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That A-334 sounds like something like AP-41 or CM-40 for me... Is it built for guys picking olives?
Don't be so arrogant. This area is rich in marble (hence A-334 being often called Autovía del mármol) and that road is the only way out for the region. AADT is around 10,000 vehicles per day, and the motorway is being built duplicating the existing road, so it's a cheap project.

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What are chances of a new Guadalajara- Collado Villalba arch?
None. It was planned to build a pentagonal outer ringroad of Madrid, with this being more or less the route of the northern part. However, it's highly unlikely for such a big project to be built. Only A-40 saw the light, and not all of it.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #4785
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What are chances of a new Guadalajara- Collado Villalba arch?
Few ones... with the A-2 and R-2 you have enought capacity. Furthermore, local traffic is not so huge, thus all go around Madrid, not corner to corner.

I believe more in motorways 50-60 km away from Madrid (or more) to avoid crossing there and releasing traffic congestion
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Old December 19th, 2014, 03:09 PM   #4786
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If it costs so little, then it should be built ASAP '

Is land that cheap over there?
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It's very low on the priority list. There are other cheap, more necessary projects U/C. This news article (or should I say headline, since the full story is only available to subscribers) says the most advanced stretch (the one between A-31 and A-35, which is the one that carries the most traffic) is again in a standstill. This stretch includes a realignment of A-31.

As for the cost, land is very cheap in Spain. There's a lot of unproductive agricultural land -a result of poor planning dating back to the Middle Ages. Spain is a pioneer when it comes to reforestation, a lot of unproductive land has been turned into forests since the 1940s.
Looks like Fomento thinks a bit like you and a bit unlike me

Works for the stretch Jumilla-Yecla of A-33 began Wednesday (see press release). It's a pretty long (23,4 km) stretch for Spanish standards. Total cost is €69 million, which is indeed cheap.

Though current N-344 carries only 5,500 vehicles per day, traffic will grow when the entire A-33 opens -it will be the best road between Valencia and Murcia, bypassing Alicante metro area and bypassing congestion-prone A-7 between Alicante and Murcia.

As usual, there's no official completion date.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 03:14 PM   #4787
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Works for the stretch Jumilla-Yecla of A-33 began Wednesday (see press release). It's a pretty long (23,4 km) stretch for Spanish standards. Total cost is €69 million, which is indeed cheap.

Though current N-344 carries only 5,500 vehicles per day, traffic will grow when the entire A-33 opens -it will be the best road between Valencia and Murcia, bypassing Alicante metro area and bypassing congestion-prone A-7 between Alicante and Murcia.
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This means AP-7 to Cartagena will see further traffic decline, right?

Will AP-7 need a bail-out?
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Old December 19th, 2014, 03:42 PM   #4788
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This means AP-7 to Cartagena will see further traffic decline, right?

Will AP-7 need a bail-out?


They WILL NOT

Indeed, THEY HAD TO...


AP-7 in Cartagena joins all R-** and someone recently opened in the tolled motorway bail-out...
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Old December 19th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #4789
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A-2 Sils - Caldes de Malavella opens to traffic on 22 December. Also, construction starts on A-2 between Maçanet de la Selva and Sils.

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_...141219-01c.htm
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Old December 19th, 2014, 09:19 PM   #4790
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This means AP-7 to Cartagena will see further traffic decline, right?

Will AP-7 need a bail-out?
I think AP-7 was never the route of choice to go to Cartagena -A-7+A-30 is barely longer and way cheaper.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 09:48 PM   #4791
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According to Google Maps, the distance from Alicante to Cartagena is 127 km either using AP-7 or A-7 + A-30. It only takes five minutes less using AP-7 (1h 22m vs. 1h 27m).

Anyway I would say that the main purpose of AP-7 between Crevillente and Cartagena is to serve Torrevieja, San Pedro del Pinatar, San Javier and other touristic towns in between.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 10:21 PM   #4792
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A fact about AP-7 between Crevillent(e) and Cartagena is that most of it is toll-free despite its number. Only around Torrevieja is tolled.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 10:38 PM   #4793
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As it is known, some tolls are payed by administration. I've read that Aragonese government will keep its payment for 2015

This means (on condition you use the electronic payment)

AP-68:

Cars, Zaragoza-Alagon-Gallur, 100% free providing you make the same return journey withing 24h. Otherwise you pay full fare

Trucks, Zaragoza-Alagon-Gallur, 75% reduction for single journeys
Zaragoza (or Alagon or Gallur)-Tudela, 50% reduction for single journeys


AP-2
Cars: Alfajarin-Pina-Bujaraloz-Fraga, 100% free for a return journey providing it is done withind 24h
Trucks: Alfajarin-Pina, 100% free for single journeys
Pina-Bujaraloz-Fraga, 75% free



Furthermore, AP-7 Altafulla-Martorell will have a 50% reduction for trucks (starting on January 1st)
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Old December 20th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #4794
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Has the N260 tunnel to Fyscal significantly changed traffic on local roads to the Monte Perdido park?
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Old December 20th, 2014, 12:48 AM   #4795
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bfff... I do not know.

Ordesa valley has a capacity of 1800 people at the same time. It is an Unesco heritage recommendation and if overpassed, traffic is cut.

That share has only 7000ish inhabitants but a great deal of tourists in summer.

What it is known is that before that tunnel almost every one chose Barbastro to approach Ainsa and now you can choose (and as far as A-23 arrive to Sabiñanigo it will be easier to use N-260)

I remember being in a camping just in the end of the road one year ago the tunnel was opened but nothing could be seen from there.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 05:18 PM   #4796
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From Jaca, Sabiñánigo... nowadays everybody choose the new road instead of Cotefablo. From Huesca, the recommended route to Broto and Torla is also the new one. So I suppose Cotefablo is now empty.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 07:28 PM   #4797
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A fact about AP-7 between Crevillent(e) and Cartagena is that most of it is toll-free despite its number. Only around Torrevieja is tolled.
AFAIK, you only pay the toll if you drive the full length of the road. Local traffic is always toll-free.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 11:50 AM   #4798
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A-44 to El Puntalon opens in April
It's not yet in my list. When have the works commenced?
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Works for the stretch Jumilla-Yecla of A-33 began Wednesday (see press release). It's a pretty long (23,4 km) stretch for Spanish standards. Total cost is €69 million, which is indeed cheap.
A33: Jumilla – Yecla 12 23.4km (December 2014 to ?) – ? – map

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* A-33: Jumilla - A-31: 13 km - 2016?
Where the hell is that section? I supposed it's here (upgrade of existing N344):

A33: Jumilla-North – Jumilla (A31) 12 13km (? to 2016) – ? – map

Edith: Maybe mistaken with this section :

A33: La Font de la Figuera (A35) – Caudete (A31) 12 12.5km (? to 2014) – ? – map

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Old December 21st, 2014, 12:59 PM   #4800
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It's not yet in my list. When have the works commenced?
I think he means A-7 between La Gorgoracha and El Puntalón, one of the three remaining sections of A-7, that will open in April next year.

A-44 ends at La Gorgoracha, where there is its junction with A-7.
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