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Old July 14th, 2015, 05:49 PM   #5461
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A-92 Tabernas - Almería

I made a video of autovía A-92 from Tabernas to Almería, through the Tabernas Desert. This is one of the few places in Europe that look like the American Southwest.

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Old July 14th, 2015, 06:15 PM   #5462
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This is one of the few places in Europe that look like the American Southwest.
Very. > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058461/locations and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059578/locations
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Old July 14th, 2015, 06:23 PM   #5463
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in Villastar, close to N-330 near Teruel
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Old July 14th, 2015, 06:54 PM   #5464
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Spain is indeed quite peculiar in terms of landscape, thanks to which -in addition to cheap labour force- it was chosen for the filming of several Spaghetti Westerns. Two years ago I visited the filming location of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly near Salas de los Infantes, Burgos. It was quite a beautiful experience for a fan of such films. Here's a fan-made video (not mine)


BTW, I've noticed that Google Street View has been updated recently. Now, the junction between the A-12 and the LO-20 is available: https://goo.gl/maps/GeuOS

However, it seems that some roads have become unavailable (?). For instance, this whole area that used to be available until today:
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Old July 14th, 2015, 07:48 PM   #5465
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I made a video of autovía A-92 from Tabernas to Almería, through the Tabernas Desert. This is one of the few places in Europe that look like the American Southwest.
Indeed. The whole Spanish Southeast (more or less from Granada to Alicante) looks very much like the scenery of Western movies (well, as others said, several were shot there).

Actually when I visited California, Nevada and Arizona I was less impressed by the desert-like landscape than my travel companions, having spent most holidays during my childhood in my grandparent's village in the Northeast of Granada province.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 02:01 AM   #5466
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Indeed. The whole Spanish Southeast (more or less from Granada to Alicante) looks very much like the scenery of Western movies (well, as others said, several were shot there).
I would say that all the really great Westerns, apart from John Fords westerns were made in the area around the Tabernas desert.

Even by the time Sergio Leone had a choice of _any_ desert he wanted he still used Tabernas. > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064116/locations
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Old July 15th, 2015, 10:48 AM   #5467
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AP-41 traffic volumes 500 vehicles per day!

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Old July 15th, 2015, 11:48 AM   #5468
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I guess actually these sections support lower volumes because this map is from 2013 when the average traffic volume for the full length of 50 km was 1.316 but in 2014 was 755!!

http://www.fomento.gob.es/BE/?nivel=2&orden=06000000
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Old July 15th, 2015, 12:30 PM   #5469
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A-7 Alicante - Murcia

Some photos of A-7 between Alicante and Murcia. The first section up to the AP-7 turnoff features 2x3 lanes. The rest has 2x2 lanes.


A7-2 by European Roads, on Flickr


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Old July 15th, 2015, 04:04 PM   #5470
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You were lucky with traffic -when I drive there, most of the time I can't do more than 100 km/h. Hopefully A-33 will change this situation.

A-7 between Alicante and Murcia is built to a higher standard than contemporany (1989) autovías -most likely to autopista standards. It doesn't use the alignment of N-340, and bends are barely noticeable when compared to the "esses" of first-generation autovías as they bypass a village. South of Murcia it suddenly becomes a rubbish piece of motorway.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 06:56 PM   #5471
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You were lucky with traffic -when I drive there, most of the time I can't do more than 100 km/h. Hopefully A-33 will change this situation.

A-7 between Alicante and Murcia is built to a higher standard than contemporany (1989) autovías -most likely to autopista standards. It doesn't use the alignment of N-340, and bends are barely noticeable when compared to the "esses" of first-generation autovías as they bypass a village. South of Murcia it suddenly becomes a rubbish piece of motorway.
It was signed as Autopista from El Campello Toll Plaza until Murcia A-30 interchange, but someone downgraded it to Autovia for some random reason some years ago, probably the same guy who misspell some names of villages along that section of A-7

Even this stretch followed the old exit numbers in the original A-7 starting in La Jonquera.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 07:54 PM   #5472
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A-7 between Alicante and Murcia is built to a higher standard than contemporany (1989) autovías -most likely to autopista standards. It doesn't use the alignment of N-340, and bends are barely noticeable when compared to the "esses" of first-generation autovías as they bypass a village. South of Murcia it suddenly becomes a rubbish piece of motorway.
I noticed that as well. Do you know if this section of A-7 was ever tolled? Some interchanges have been reconfigured over the past 10 years. Could there have been an open barrier tolling system? Though I did not saw any physical evidence of that.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 08:18 PM   #5473
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It was never tolled, although since its construction its name was A-7, something unusual in that time, when most toll-free sections along the Mediterranean coast retained the old name N-340 when they were converted into autovías. The section that was upgraded was only between Alicante and AP-7 turnoff, where it was upgraded to 2x3. Between AP-7 turnoff and Murcia only minor upgrading (e.g. new asphalt) has taken place.

As user Peines points out, A-7 between Alicante and Murcia was built as a toll-free autopista, a continuation of former A-7 (today's AP-7) between Valencia and Alicante, rather than as an autovía. During the 80s and 90s construction of autovías consisted basically of adding a second carriageway to old national roads. Hence the bad alignment of A-7 (former N-340) between Murcia and Almería or of A-31 between Alicante and Albacete, and there are many more examples in radial autovías.

A-49 between Seville and Huelva is also a good example of toll-free autopista built at that time, as well as Valencia by-pass.
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The A-7 from Murcia to Almería didn't strike me as very substandard though. The frequency of exits is quite high, but otherwise it is very adequate.

The only thing that really lacks in Spain are decent rest areas along autovías. A gas station alone is not sufficient for long-distance travel (especially for families).
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Old July 15th, 2015, 08:28 PM   #5475
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There is a number of Autopistas that were never tolled. Namely the A-66/A-8 between Gijón, Avilés and Oviedo in Asturias, the A-49 Sevilla-Huelva, A-8 Bilbao-Santander, A-67 Santander-Torrelavega or A-31 Honrubia-Albacete.

As opposed to the Autovías which were being built at that time, these had a completely new allignment.
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The A-7 from Murcia to Almería didn't strike me as very substandard though. The frequency of exits is quite high, but otherwise it is very adequate.
Maybe I exaggerated a little bit.

It's not substandard, but you easily realise it's an old national road where a second carriageway was added and by-passes to avoid towns were built. As a consequence you find very often have exits to restaurants and gas stations located at the very edge of the highway.

Likewise, the road bends before and after every town or village that needed to be avoided by the new highway, involving a reduction of speed (albeit not considerable, most times). You can easily see that in A-7 between Valencia and Xàtiva, although at least there the motorway was widened to 2x3.

In state-of-the-art motorways the layout of the old national road is usually kept for farm vehicles, cyclists and local traffic, and therefore there is no need to build exits in the main motorway so often. In the same way, motorways are not usually built so close to towns and there is thus no need to have tight curves entailing speed reductions.
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The only thing that really lacks in Spain are decent rest areas along autovías. A gas station alone is not sufficient for long-distance travel (especially for families).
Probably because we don't like rest areas as we can see in other countries: here we prefer to stop in a rural bar-restaurant in a rural area (like Venta or Meson), or even in a small town outside the motorway, to make a rest.





More quality, local products, homemade food, tradition, history, cheaper...

Anyway Mesones where the rest areas in the past times, when all was Roman Roads and horses.
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So I was watching this documentary on sinkholes and 26 min into the video they show a huge one right next to A-23 north of Zaragoza, it is absolutely massive and right next to the road at this location 41°54'21.2"N 0°45'32.2"W.

It is shown in this video around 26 min in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzFbKw2cxFg

I guess they will have to rebuild this stretch of road in the future, wonder who was the jackass that green lit the routing in the first place knowing that the sinkhole existed

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Probably because we don't like rest areas as we can see in other countries: here we prefer to stop in a rural bar-restaurant in a rural area (like Venta or Meson), or even in a small town outside the motorway, to make a rest.

More quality, local products, homemade food, tradition, history, cheaper...

Anyway Mesones where the rest areas in the past times, when all was Roman Roads and horses.
It's not that we don't like proper rest areas. We simply don't have a choice. It's a consequence of how our network developed.

Besides, this is not France or Germany with millions of foreign drivers on their motorways. Most tourists come to Spain by plane and stay in a resort or visit different cities in previously arranged tours. Traditionally, there has been little demand for such rest areas. But it's shocking that in a country that depends so much on tourism you can't still find enough rest areas with a European timetable or with someone who speaks English.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 01:56 PM   #5480
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So I was watching this documentary on sinkholes and 26 min into the video they show a huge one right next to A-23 north of Zaragoza, it is absolutely massive and right next to the road at this location 41°54'21.2"N 0°45'32.2"W.

It is shown in this video around 26 min in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzFbKw2cxFg

I guess they will have to rebuild this stretch of road in the future, wonder who was the jackass that green lit the routing in the first place knowing that the sinkhole existed
The Puilatos thing (I guessed it correctly), it even has swallowed a village. I drove there yet again yesterday. A-23 sinks there, they repair it and again sinks. And it has been rebuilt already twice.
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The only thing that really lacks in Spain are decent rest areas along autovías. A gas station alone is not sufficient for long-distance travel (especially for families).
As Peines pointed out, we like to do some tourism in route. A relative had to do some Huesca-Toledo trips, and she always stopped at Santa Maria de Huerta (The very first town after finally leaving Aragon). As for me, if I have to drive to Madrid I have already selected the town where I would stop. That hono(u)r has fallen to Ariza, exactly halfway between Huesca and Madrid.
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