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Old July 29th, 2015, 03:31 PM   #5521
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One should not even smell it . I wonder how the plant can survive without water.
Since several decades minds have changed and decoration (not only in roads but in general) is focused in local plants. There are someones quite cool and without maintenance. It is enough to ask for local plants.

A long time ago I remember trying to set grass everywhere. In Spain it is a waste of time. A lot of water and never will be OK



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They're poison if you eat them... I don't think you stop in the middle of the motorway to eat some leaves on a tree...

Some years ago some teens dead due to a sort of "coffee" done with a poison plant. It was absolutely unknown till then and I got notice that besides my home I had one of that plant...

Obviously not poison if you do not eat (or drink) it
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Old July 29th, 2015, 03:52 PM   #5522
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They're poison if you eat them... I don't think you stop in the middle of the motorway to eat some leaves on a tree...
Well, you'll never know... People do drive their cars onto railroads or into subway tunnels because their GPS says so. People do pretty stupid stuff.
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Old July 29th, 2015, 08:39 PM   #5523
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N-340a Tabernas Desert

Some scenes of N-340a in the Tabernas Desert.


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Tabernas-3 by European Roads, on Flickr


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Old July 29th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #5524
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The A-2 / A-15 interchange at Medinaceli will be in augurated this afternoon.
A very important inaguration. Now all the provincial capitals are connected to the network (in the mainland)
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Old July 30th, 2015, 12:17 PM   #5525
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Tabernas-5 by European Roads, on Flickr
Funny, imagine some other flags and this scene looks very much like a Moroccan route nationale.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #5526
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i used to lurk around before signing up on this forum, i like infrastructure stuff and maps
i have a 1992 Michelin Europe road atlas my parents gave me and I like to compare how things were then and now, Spain is the country with most changes

are all roads numbered with AP prefix tolled?
if a road with tolls became free, would it get an A prefix?
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Old July 30th, 2015, 02:27 PM   #5527
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Strongly yes.

Besides my city, AP-68 had 3,5 km free and was set as A-68 after 2004
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Old July 30th, 2015, 03:04 PM   #5528
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i used to lurk around before signing up on this forum, i like infrastructure stuff and maps
i have a 1992 Michelin Europe road atlas my parents gave me and I like to compare how things were then and now, Spain is the country with most changes

are all roads numbered with AP prefix tolled?
if a road with tolls became free, would it get an A prefix?
AP-> Autopista de Peaje

Autopista~Highway
Peaje=Tolled
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Old July 30th, 2015, 04:28 PM   #5529
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Autopista~Highway
A motorway would be a better translation. Autopista is a very restrictive word to which it applies, while highway (carretera) is very general and can mean any type of public road, including secondary two-lane roads.

Although autopistas are generally toll roads, they do have some toll-free sections. For instance the Barcelona bypass is untolled but numbered AP-7. In addition, not all toll roads are numbered with the AP-prefix. In particular around Barcelona there are a lot of tolled motorways with a C-number.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 05:03 PM   #5530
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The nightmare of C-...

All roads and motorways depending of Catalonian government are C-XX (main network) and never mind if it is a single road, a motorway or a tolled motorway. If motorway... signs in blue. If tolled, additional toll sign. That's all.

C-32 will be tolled in the tunnel area southern Barcelona, free in the Sitges by-pass and tolled again till AP-7. but... you will always have clear if you have to pay or you have another road to avoid the toll.

M-12 and R-X in the surroundings of Madrid are also tolled, Galician network AG-XX can be also tolled and... to my best knowledge, Basque country tolled motorways are AP-XX
In Navarra you have only the AP-15. Therefore, no questions about.

And in other sites... I do not remember any motorway even managed by regional governments, even by central government but as local motorway, with a different name (not AP-XX)
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If motorway... signs in blue.
I found this one of the downsides of the Spanish signage and numbering system. The road number is no clear indication of the road standard, as regional autovías can have just about any road number prefix (C, CV, V, EX, B, CM, CL, AG, SE, M, etc.)

But the signage is not clear either. All exit signs are blue, except the final sign at the off ramp. So the only way to tell if an intersecting road is a motorway is if the very last sign is blue or white.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 05:28 PM   #5532
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I found this one of the downsides of the Spanish signage and numbering system. The road number is no clear indication of the road standard, as regional autovías can have just about any road number prefix (C, CV, V, EX, B, CM, CL, AG, SE, M, etc.)
And while Catalunya colors by quality - eg C16 has red 'shields' (for want of a better term) on the non-motorway sections and blue ones for the autovia/autopista sections - many of the other communities don't.

Andalucia colours by importance and has orange shields on the major non-national routes (which may or may not be autovia at that point, though all of them seem planned to be autovia in their entirety), but there are also autovia with green signs, denoting secondary non-national roads. (as an aside, is there any reason why the A92 isn't a national route? Or at least why isn't it signed with blue shields)

You also have some low quality national roads signed with blue signs (eg A7 in places along the Andalucian coast where AP7 bypasses the settlements and A7 runs along the coast with roundabouts, and some of the city-prefixed national autovia) and some high quality non-national routes with orange, or even green, signs.

Of course, other countries (eg France with Voie Express D roads and the A660) have similar.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #5533
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I found this one of the downsides of the Spanish signage and numbering system. The road number is no clear indication of the road standard, as regional autovías can have just about any road number prefix (C, CV, V, EX, B, CM, CL, AG, SE, M, etc.)

But the signage is not clear either. All exit signs are blue, except the final sign at the off ramp. So the only way to tell if an intersecting road is a motorway is if the very last sign is blue or white.
As a general rule:


Motorways managed by the State will always have A or AP letters with the exemptions of:

- R-X near Madrid
- and any letter for local motorways (rings or so). For instance, the ring-motorway in my city is the Z-40

All R-X are tolled and only M-12 (access to Madrid airport) is tolled


In case of a motorway managed by a regional government they will use their own system. EX in Extremadura, C in Catalona, A in Andalucia, AS in Asturias, ARA-A- in Aragón (for 5,5 km only), M for Madrid

Almost all of them are non-tolled.... but in Galicia and Catalonia you will find them tolled or untolled.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 08:41 PM   #5534
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And while Catalunya colors by quality - eg C16 has red 'shields' (for want of a better term) on the non-motorway sections [...]
Which should be orange anyway, red should be only used on national roads. I'd like to see Catalonia not only stripped of its autonomy because of that independentist movement, but also forced to change all its signs to the Spanish standard. Now they use French style signage.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #5535
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Which should be orange anyway, red should be only used on national roads. I'd like to see Catalonia not only stripped of its autonomy because of that independentist movement, but also forced to change all its signs to the Spanish standard. Now they use French style signage.
There are no French signs in Catalonia. It's true that there's a standard for directional signage that's a bit different from the Spanish one, but the font remains the same, and the signs still look Spanish. The most "French" signage thing I've seen in Catalonia are some speed limit signs in the Lleida Pyrenees -but they're not the norm. I guess that someone ordered a bunch of them some day for some reason, but they will eventually be replaced by "proper" ones since I haven't seen more.

There are some other oddities regarding roads when it comes to regional authorities -Gipuzkoa province uses dashed side lane markings, like France, and Galicia has a road type of its own (corredor, which is the former vía rápida, a concept that disappeared from our driving code in 2001 and that had its own -green- signage, which Galicia retains). As for the numbering system, it's a complete mess. Too many road categories, too many shields and way too many prefixes. Even the design of kilometer posts changes from one region to another. You end up memorizing road numbers like a mantra, but you don't know their meaning. There are plenty of simpler road numbering systems around (Germany, France, the UK, Italy, to name a few); we should just do what our neighbors do.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 11:14 PM   #5536
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Yeah.... there are some "French signs" in Catalonia and part of Aragón.

Look at N-230 from Sopeira till the border. The signs are French
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Old July 31st, 2015, 04:25 AM   #5537
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what was a via rapida exactly?
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Old July 31st, 2015, 11:08 AM   #5538
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http://videalab.udc.es/files/fichas/val_minor/min2.jpg
this is a via rapida
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Old July 31st, 2015, 11:11 AM   #5539
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what was a via rapida exactly?
Via rapida doesn't longer exist since several years ago

It was a sort of 1x1 with motorway standards but only 1x1. All crosses as in a motorway (bridges, tunnels and so...)

Only C-25 in Catalonia was a "long" via rapida.
I remember first track of a motorway bypass that was pointed as via rapida (it was, indeed, it was just first 1x1 prior to a 2x2)
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Old July 31st, 2015, 11:52 AM   #5540
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french style in catalonia ? i dont think so

http://www.calagogo.es/uploads/indicadorpda.gif

http://fotos.subefotos.com/c4067b549...0afbaf7f2o.jpg

http://www.roadsafetyfoundation.org/...route-news.jpg
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