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Old August 30th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #5621
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Yes, this "urban" section of the A-7 would need an important improvement, no doubt.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 09:48 AM   #5622
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Yes, that section The ADT is like 70 000, so it would also do a lane-addition.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 04:10 PM   #5623
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A-4 / AP-4 Cádiz - Sevilla

Some photos of A-4 & AP-4 from Cádiz to Sevilla.

The motorway is landscaped with plants in the median and trees along the road. The view to the surrounding area is therefor less, but there isn't much to see anyway.

The AP-4 is tolled only between Jerez de la Frontera-Norte and Dos Hermanas, the southern section of AP-4 is untolled. There is just a single toll barrier.

Traffic volumes were very low on the day that I drove here (a workday).


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Old September 1st, 2015, 10:44 PM   #5624
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A-4 will be built from Dos Hermanas to Los Palacios but no saving money (coming from Cadiz, fare is the same to Los Palacios and Dos Hermanas)
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 12:24 PM   #5625
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Chris, how much is the tool?
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 12:34 PM   #5626
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Quite weird the AP4 toll
I try to explain

There is only one booth barrier for point-to-point journeys. Some middle exits have another ones to pay less.

Coming from Seville (Dos Hermanas), you will pay 1,20 to Los Palacios and 3,75 to Las Cabezas (just before the barrier)
Any other journey beyond the barrier will be 7,25. Doesn't matter if any Jerez exit or Puerto Real (just before Cadiz)

Coming from south, untolled till Jerez north. Later 3,75 to Las Cabezas (where toll barrier) and 7,25 beyond there (doesn't matter if you take off in Los Palacios or you go to Dos Hermanas-Seville)

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Using electronic devices to pay, discount of 15% (at least) after 6th journey in the same month
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 10:49 PM   #5627
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The motorway is landscaped with plants in the median and trees along the road. The view to the surrounding area is therefor less, but there isn't much to see anyway.
Maybe, someone from the central-north of Europe can't imagine how important is this for many people here. There are very few trees in almost all the roads of Spain, even few in Andalucía. The climate makes difficult to make they grow.

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Traffic volumes were very low on the day that I drove here (a workday).
So you didn't go a sunday evening, when people returns from the beach

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A-4-41 by European Roads, on Flickr
Puente del Centenario: 120.000 ADT but only 2+1+2 lanes, no shoulders, is the only highway for crossing the river in the south of Sevilla and limited to 50km/h Fortunately, is being built SE-40, with four tunnels, 2 lanes each one for crossing the river near puente del Centenario.

At the left of the left-tower of the bridge, beyond, is "Torre Sevilla", more known as torre Pelli or torre Cajasol, first skyscraper in Sevilla that I hope will be opened during 2015, 180 meters tall and made by César Pelli. It has been too polemic because it's very close to the historical center.

The cranes are in the port of Sevilla, the only one in Spain that is in a river.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 02:25 AM   #5628
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Unbelieavable that they want to built seriously a motorway nearby the existing motorway in the middle of nothing between Sevilla and Cadiz, but then they can not add some lanes nearby cities...

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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:23 PM   #5629
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AP-66 León - Oviedo

I made a video of AP-66 through the Cantabrian Mountains. In my opinion, one of the most scenic motorways in Europe.

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I made a video of AP-66 through the Cantabrian Mountains. In my opinion, one of the most scenic motorways in Europe.

And one of the worst by traffic volumes-cost-standards?
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Old September 4th, 2015, 02:45 AM   #5631
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Well, not sure. In general, many interurban motorways in Spain have low AADT due to the low population density of many regions.

Anyway, I don't know if we can compare different situations. This motorway is fundamental for linking a traditionally isolated region like Asturias with the rest of Spain. The investment, when done, was completely worth it.

But, if we compare, for example, any of the main alpine tunnels between France and Italy (Fréjus and Mont-Blanc) got the half AADT of the one registered on the Spanish AP-66.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 08:57 AM   #5632
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Well, not sure. In general, many interurban motorways in Spain have low AADT due to the low population density of many regions.

Anyway, I don't know if we can compare different situations. This motorway is fundamental for linking a traditionally isolated region like Asturias with the rest of Spain. The investment, when done, was completely worth it.

But, if we compare, for example, any of the main alpine tunnels between France and Italy (Fréjus and Mont-Blanc) got the half AADT of the one registered on the Spanish AP-66.
You can't compare a normal motorway with frejus or monte bianco. Those tunnels aadts are kept artificially low by insanely high tolls.

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Old September 4th, 2015, 12:37 PM   #5633
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The AP-66 is a tolled motorway, so the investment was done by the concessionaire, not by the Spanish government. It opened in 1983 as a two-lane tolled expressway and was gradually transformed into a motorway until 1997. That was probably the best option as it helped the concessionaire company keep a better financial position (lower initial investment - earlier collection of revenue).

The stretch that crosses the regional border had an AADT of 8,137 in 2013, while the parallel national road (N-630, Pajares mountain pass) had 4,027 with a truck share of just 13%. Those figures are actually quite good for Spanish standards, where it is common that the parallel national road has more traffic or at least a much higher truck share. In fact, this situation is bound to improve thanks to the recently introduced discounts for heavy vehicles.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 08:37 PM   #5634
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All tolls should be quit and that's it. No parallel motorways in the middle of fields and mountains! The tolled AP-4 or AP-2-sections don't need parallel routes nowhere, just quit tolls or make long-distance driving on parallel old roads illegal.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:25 PM   #5635
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In fact, the Spanish government tried to pass a law that forced long-distance HGV traffic out of the national roads if there was a parallel tolled motorway, including a great (50-75%?) discount on toll charges. However, the opposition was so strong that finally they said it was just optional, not mandatory, for HGVs to use the tolled motorways.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:26 PM   #5636
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You can't just 'quit tolls'. They have long-term concessions. Taking over the concession is in most cases more expensive than constructing a parallel toll-free autovía, especially with the low cost of autovías in Spain.
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Old September 11th, 2015, 05:33 PM   #5637
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Tomorrow I'll be driving another rarity of Spanish numbering: N-330b. Yes, an old alignment of N-330 that was bypassed and then both were bypassed again . This happened in Candanchu ski resort near Somport pass, where a bypass was built in the early 90s before the Somport tunnel opened in 2003. Since the log lists both N-330a and N-330b ending at French border, this means the Somport summit is the junction of N-330a, N-330b and French RN 134 (It remains unclear to me why France numbered their part of Somport tunnel RN 1134 instead of renumbering the old route via the pass).
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Old September 14th, 2015, 01:16 PM   #5638
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A-92 Almería - Granada, Tabernas Desert

Part I of a photo set of A-92 from Almería to Granada, this section runs through the Tabernas Desert. This is the newest section of A-92, being completed in 2002. The motorway west of Guadix was completed by 1992, in time for the 1992 Expo in Sevilla.


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9. Desierto de Tabernas.

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Old September 14th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #5639
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Nice photos. BTW, is there any info about TF1 from Costa Adeje to Santiago del teide and will be 4 laned
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Old September 18th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #5640
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A-92

Continuing down A-92, west through Almería province.


A92-33 by European Roads, on Flickr


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