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Old January 24th, 2016, 05:26 PM   #5961
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Yesterday I returned from Malaga to my village and as I had time, I took a detour driving one local mountain road (MA-3101) that goes from Malaga to Casabermeja where it connect with A-45, instead of driving A-45. It took me 1 hour to do what it takes less that 15 minutes in the motorway.

But I could take photos of the Ap-46 and the A-45 from the mountains and see the bridges that were build to do the motorways.

Ap-46 from road mountain MA-3101 (looking west)


A-45 from road mountain MA-3101 (looking east)


Ap-46 from road mountain MA-3101 (looking west and north) (2 pictures)

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Driving through Catalunya (Spain) from L'Hospitalet de Llobregat to El Bruc 7.12.2015 Timelapse x4

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Old January 28th, 2016, 10:52 PM   #5963
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I amde a list in the Spanish forum about the AADT of the different motorway, that I have made using Fomento's listing.

I have made a list of the "useless" motorways.
The list of useless isn't equal to all the motorways who don't reach an AADT of 10.000 (specially when they had a superior AADT of 10.000 before the economicial crisis).
In gneeral, the criteria is:
For traffic with a non-saturated alternative, an AADT of 15.000
For trafic in Madrid or Barcleona, an AADT of 15.000
For local-comarcal traffic of other big Spanishcities (Valencia, Bilbao), an AADT of 10.000
For the rest of cases, an AADT of 7.000-8.000. However, if a motorway is a small part of a large distance corridor, has high seasonal peaks, or used to have a igher traffic and dropped mainly due to crisis, this value can pass.
As well, as motorways with no good connections that are meant to be completed. In three special cases, a lower AADT is accepted for "help" the territory, in the way that affects a city that had no direct motorway of all (Cuenca) or with his main city (Caceres).

List of motorways that should be out of the plans (only projects that had apssed a n environment test)..
Code:
A-2 Alfajarin-Fraga
R-2 Madrid-Guadalajara*
R.-3 Madrid-Arganda*
A-4 Los Palacios-Aer. Jerez
R-4 Madrid-Ocaña*
R-5: Madrid-Navalcarnero*
AP-7 ALicante outer by-pass*
AP-7 Cartagena-Vera
A-11: Soria-Aranda de Duero-Tudela De duero
A-14: Almenar-Sopeira
A-21: Sanguesa exit-Jaca
A-28: Tarancon-Guadalajara
A-32: torreperogil-Albacete ring-road
A-32: New Abacete ring-road
AP-36: ocaña-La Roda
A-40: toledo outer-bypass; Toledo-Tarancon. (and I mention, Cuenca-Teruel, even though it hasn't passed a DiA because it's absolutely ridiculous (in other cases, an expressway with proper exits, service lanes, aligment for 100 km/h (exceptionally 80-90 km/h). It 
AP-41: Madrid (R-5)-Toledo (including TO-22)
A-54: Lugo-Santiago
A-56: Lugo-Ourense 
A-60: Valladolid-Airport-A-231 junction
A-65: benavente-Palencia
A-72: Monforte-Chantada
A-73 Burgos-Aguilar de Campoo
A-76: Ponferrada-O Barco-Monforte
A-308: Iznalloz-Darro
A-316/A-318: Martos-Alcaudete-Baena-Cabra // Lucena-Puente Genil-Estepa
ARA-A1: Zaragoza's outer ring-road
CM-41/CM-43: La Sagra's motorway, specially with an aligment that goes "far" for the people (what in the cases of A-3 or A-23 may be okay, in this case isn't)
CM-2X: Cuenca-Albacete
CM-45: Ciudad Real-Valdepeñas
A-601: Segovia-Aldeamayor de San Martin
A-631 (CL-631) Ponferrada-toreno
AG-31 Ourense-Celanova (too far from main use)
MP-203: R-3-Alcala de Henares
RM-16/RM-17: Access to Murcia new Airport

Honorable mentions: CV-10: Pobla tornesa-Vilanova D'Alcolea (is not useless, but its main use don't corespond to a Valencian-owned motorway that doesn't even resolve the problem of N-340 although the truck ban helps). And for people who thinks CV-40 is the same case, there's a Big difference: CV-40 serves Alcoy, Albaida and specially Ontinyent with a more "flat" terrain than N-340 (who had a section like a 70's-80's not-REDIA or similar roads.-
A-68: Figueruelas-Tudela: Why made a freeway when there's a motorway that can handle 90% of the traffic of N-232 with little problems (0 problems during 363 days of a year).
AG-53: Even though its AADT is borderline acceptable (Santiago-Lalin has a lot of AADT), what0s the meaning of the Xunta de Galicia constructing it? Although it could be justified by "nacionalism " (however, why not all the corridor Santiago-Ourense).
A-231: In Castile y Leon there's no nacionalism at all, whats the meaning of making a motorway by their own in a state National corridor.
And Cuenca-Albacete motorway: There's three differences, 1) the motorway isn't needed, 2) is not compelted or U/C and 
3) IThere's a key difference: In the cases of A-231 and AG_53 the motorway is made while the paralell road is state-owned. However, here there's also the transference of the national road (N-320, actual CM-220) tot he autonomous region, even if it made little sense (specially in Castilla-La Mancha, why orange netowrk is considered secondary network).
*And about Spanish toll roads, Spanish's toll taxes are (in general) too expensive compared of the economic power of Spanish people (and has been proven since the 80's), specially for trucks and short distances.
Personally, Spain shouldn't have constructed new toll motorways since the relative success of the "autovias" back in the early 90's compared to the Franco's toll "autopistas", unless:
1) Malaga-Estepona situation: A toll motorway that serves long-drastic traffic while a free-way (in thory) handles short-distance traffic.
2) Malaga-Altod e als Pedrizas: A saturated freeway that's extremely difficult to repair had a paralell motorway that technically serves a diferent destination than the freeway.
3) C-32 South: A toll motorway made in a corridor with another toll motorway. (That doesn't mean that the actual price of the Garraf tunnels are "good").

If the R-X of Madrid were free, they could help doing its purpose (specially R-3 and in vacations, R-5).
If AP-46 were a free motorway, Madrid-Albacete-Almansa/Hellin/Alicante/Elche/Torrevieja/Benidorm/Denia/Murcia/Lorca/Cartagena/Mojacar traffic would go with this road like many people and return to the historical route (N-301). If they want to be sure people use the new motorway, they could even degrade A-31 (Making 1x1 or even closing it) if they dodn't want to conserve two motorways that does exactly the same.

And about near bankrupt motorways, although I don't expect to happen in all the motorways, I aren't surprised if some motorways (specially Madrid-Toledo and Cartagena-Vera) are closed to traffic.

Is not hard to imagine closing to traffic and in X years, transform it in a (yes!) a Green Way (Via Verde).

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Old January 28th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #5964
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Traffic volumes are only one factor in constructing autovías. Travel times and traffic safety are also important issues. Traffic fatalities in Spain have been reduced at one of the fastest rates in the EU, coinciding with the large-scale expansion of the autovía network. Poland is undergoing a similar trend currently.

Another factor is the very low construction cost of autovías in most of Spain. You can build an autovía in Spain where the same amount of money would get you a simple two-lane road with roundabouts in the Netherlands, Belgium or the UK. This means autovías are profitable at a lower traffic volume/cost ratio than in many other countries.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 11:43 PM   #5965
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Some autovías will only make sense once they're completely built; it's unfair to judge their level of use right now, as most traffic still use other alternative congested autovías waiting for the new route to be completely built.

For example, the current section A-33 is not used by lots of cars (and especially trucks) between Valencia and Murcia because there's a missing section between Yecla and A-35. Currently they prefer to use A-31 and A-7 as it is 100% autovía there. But the situation will drastically change once A-33 is finished.

The same can be said of A-11 or A-12, as nowadays many cars prefer using A-62 and AP-68 between Valladolid and Zaragoza.

Even A-21 + A-23 + A-22 will become the natural route between the Basque Country and Catalonia once the missing sections are built, but now all traffic goes via Zaragoza (AP-68 + AP-2).

Hence, I suggest that you also consider other factors (e.g. sections u/c or planned) when assessing the usefulness of Spanish autovías.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 10:28 AM   #5966
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I explain why those motorways are on the list. And for the record, I never put any tram of A-12 Logroño-Burgos (and for the record, neither Pamplona-Logroño) for the reason of "attracting traffic".

Code:
A-2 Alfajarin-Fraga. 
Cause: It's only caused by long distance trucks, that with the actual discount can go to AP-2.  Solution: Ban trucks on N-II.
R-2: Madrid-Guadalajara
Cause: Too low traffic for the area it crosses. It caused a lot fo headaches to the goverment. Solution: Complicated (Ideally being free).
R-3 Madrid-Arganda*
Cause: Low traffic for the area it crosses. Also, it causes a lot fo problems. Solution: Complicated. (Ideally being free).
Aternative. Third line until Arganda.
A-4 Los Palacios-Aer. Jerez
Cause: Is mainly caused by trucks (although is nowhere like N-II in Aragon) and lcoal traffic. Also, concesion ends in 31/12/2019 and there are no plans (yet) to renovate.
R-4 Madrid-Ocaña*
Cause: Very low traffic for the area it crosses. Also, it causes a lot of problems. Solution: Complicated (ideally being free).
Alternative: Third line on A-4 until Ocaña.
R-5: Madrid-Navalcarnero*
cause: Very low traffic for the area it crosses. Also, it causes a lot of problems. Solution: Complicated (ideally being free).
Alternative: Third line on A-5 until Navalcarnero.
AP-7 Alicante outer by-pass*
Solution: Complicated.
Alternative: Third-line on A-70 (that would be A-7) between Alicante University and A-7 junction. Also, AP-7 being toll-free like Hiperronda on Malaga.
AP-7 Cartagena-Vera
Solution: Close it and convert it on a Green Way. With the free for use Cartagena by-pass, convert it into a non concession motorway.
A-11: Soria-Aranda de Duero-Tudela De duero
Cause: Too little traffic, main problems caused by trucks who has alternative  through Burgos-Logroño, or (now ) through Pancorbo-Haro.
Alternative: Expressway 81x1) Tudela-Aranda.
A-14: Almenar-Sopeira. 
Cause: Too little traffic (IMD of 3.000).
Alternative: By-apass for Alfarrasa dn Puente de Montañana. Minimum of 80 km/h available until Sopeira. 
A-21: Sanguesa exit-Jaca
Cause: Too little traffic. ANd no, traffic S: Sebastian-Pamplona-Barcelona won't magically make the road "busy".
Alternative: Constructing new N-240 as an expressway with the actual layout of A-21, prepared for 2x2.
A-28: Tarancon-Guadalajara
Cause: Too little potencial traffic outside select dates,e ven completed. It passed through a very sparsely populated area. Almsot zero relation between Tarancon and Guadalajara. (in fact, outside of its province, I think only Cuenca and Toledo has a very small relation to Guadalajara)
A-32: torreperogil-Albacete ring-road
Cause: Too little traffic. Also, long distance traffic (outside Ubeda-Albacete or similar)  can go via A-4-A-43.
Alternative: Making a 1x1 expressway. Not putting Albacete indicators on A-44/A-4.
A-32: New Abacete ring-road
Cause: Too little traffic (unless it's actually a semi-urban road, which I didn't know). 
AP-36: ocaña-A-43 interchange
Cause: Too little traffic. Good alternative on A-3. 
Alternative: Making the motorway free, and being the main Madrid-Albacete connections, with more exits.
A-40: Toledo's outer-bypass; (and I mention, Cuenca-Teruel, even though it hasn't passed a DiA because it's absolutely ridiculous (in other cases, an expressway with proper exits, service lanes, aligment for 100 km/h (exceptionally 80-90 km/h would be encessary, here it isn't even necessary).
Alternative (Rest of trams): Expressway between Ocaña and Tarancon.
I would save this motorway if the Toledo bypass were acceptable (good way to cover Badajoz-Valencia
AP-41: Madrid (R-5)-Toledo (including TO-22)
Cause: Extremely low traffic. 
A-54: Lugo-Santiago
Cause: Too low traffic. Even there's ana lternative.Alternative: Freeway Guiritiz (A-6)-Santiago Airport, usng the corridor of N-634 (in fact, Santiago-Santiago Airport was openeed with the name "N-634" (!!)) 
A-56: Lugo-Ourense 
Cause: too little traffic.
Alternative: Making a corridor or:
Make an Autovia Lugo-Sarria-Monforte-Ourense (Higher IMD, not too much distance, 
A-60: Valladolid Airport-A-231 junction
Cause: Little traffic. Also, good alternatives for everything important outside Valladolid-Leon (who technically has an alternative.
Alternative: Expressway (1x1) and specially- by-passes (specially in Medina del Rioseco).
A-65: benavente-Palencia
Cause: too little traffic. Also, good alternatives for almost long distance traffic.
Alternative: By-pass of the most important towns it crosses.
A-72: Monforte-Chantada
Cause: Too little traffic. Also, good alternatives for long distance traffic.
Alternative: Completing corridor Monforte-Chantada-Lalin (which is more than enough).
A-73 N-623/N-627 junction-Aguilar de Campoo
Cause: Too little traffic. traffic going to Madrid is detourable via Valaldolid-Palencia.
A-76: Ponferrada-Monforte
Cause: Little traffic. Complicated terrain. Alternative for long distance traffic.
Alternative: Guarantee 80 km/h ain all road. Eliminate only town crossing.
ARA-A1: Zaragoza's outer ring-road
Cause: Little traffic for the area it crosses.
Alternative: Making A-222 only 1x1.
CM-2X: Cuenca-Albacete
Cause: Too little traffic. 
Alternative: Expressway 1x1.
CM-45: Ciudad Real-Valdepeñas
Cause: Too little traffic.
Alternative: making an 1x1 expressway.
A-601: Segovia-Aldeamayor de San Martin
Cause: Little traffic. And part of the traffic, is not even on this corridor.
Alternative: Autovia on the corridor Adanero-Valladolid (N-601). It's more shorter and covers more population (and more related to Valladolid) that causes relatively high AADT in higher stretches (Olmedo-boecillo).
A-631 (CL-631) Ponferrada-toreno
Cause: little traffic. Zone in very regressive demographic expectations.
Alternative: 1x1 expressway.
AG-31 Ourense-Celanova (too far from main use)
Cause: Little traffic. Zone in regressive demographic expectations.
Alternative: 1x1 expressway that covers with a layout more simialr to OU-540.
MP-203: R-3-Alcala de Henares
Cause: Potential little traffic, given the experience of more useful R-X roads.
Alternative. making free.
RM-16/RM-17: Access to Murcia new Airport 
Cause: Aeroport with dubious traffic. Main aeroport in Alicante.
Alternative: ¿?
EX-A1: Navalmoral de la Mata-Coria-Moraleja
Cause: Too little traffic. Road to almsot nowhere. Main road is enough.
RM-3: Totana-RM-23 junction
Cause: too little traffic. Main traffic Murcia-Mazarron already has an alternative.
The list is not actually that big. R-X and AP-36 could be solved if they were free/cheaper (R-3 would give a 2nd acces to Madrid evading Vallecas, Vicalvaro and Rivas, R-4 and R-5 would be really useful on vacation periods and weekends, actual AP-36 (A-36?, A-30?) would be the new Madrid-Albacete-Alicante/Cartagena road, like historically was.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 05:12 PM   #5967
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Actually A-40 Toledo-Ocaña is badly needed. With that, I'm sure Toledo outer bypass won't be as bad as it is now. IIRC N-400 Toledo-Aranjuez has one of the highest AADTs of any road in Spain, and is worsened further by the fact this part of A-40 was linked to the original plans of AP-41, which was cancelled after it got a negative EIS.

MP-203 will be troll-free, actually. There is a little section open to traffic just north of Loeches (even imaged in Street View), and no tolls are in sight. It is said it would be tolled because it will end at R-3, but nothing further. Now that they have found a way to cross the Madrid-Huesca Barcelona HSL, the only thing that remains to do is: complete it, damnit!

And about A-231, it inexplicably duplicates a designation: There was already a road numbered A-231 in Northeastern Teruel province. Why they chose that number, is out of reach to me.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 08:33 PM   #5968
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A-40 is also a very good example of what I mean by saying that the situation of many autovías that currently seem useless will drastically improve once they're completed according to the initial plans.

The economic and financial crisis hit Spain at a time when the country was engaged in a very ambitious road construction plan. Some planned autovía sections were actually useless or redundant, but others made a lot of sense.

As 2015 was an election year, the government made a big effort to open as many sections as possible, namely those which were in an advanced stage of construction when the spending cuts took place. However there are still hundreds of km of new autovías under construction and we can expect several openings in the coming years.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 08:42 PM   #5969
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The Fomento road budget isn't actually that big despite the volume of new autovía projects. The 2014 budget was only € 2.1 billion, which is less than what they spend in the Netherlands on a 2500 km motorway network.
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For me that list of "useless" motorways is pointless. Driving 200 kilometers on a 2-lane road with an AADT of 8.000 vehicles per day is a pain. Plus low construction cost of Spanish motorways in the Meseta plains changes the cost-benefit ratio. The specific circumstances of Spain make it impossible to judge the utility of our motorways using the same parameters you would use in Germany or the UK. And this is a mistake that we see too often in the media, be it Spanish, German or American. Even EU officials have done this.

Like it or not, Europe (or the EU for the matter) is too diverse to use the same measuring stick. Same applies every time someone says that all European countries should have a common driving code. Driving in Spain has little to do with driving in Germany or Italy. And roads are just plain different. It's part of the cultural identity of each country.
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I can't really see how a road is a part of a cultural identity of each country. Once it has asphalt, road markings and its share of signs then people can drive on them. And it's really up to any government to apply driving standards to each country. Most of the road signs have the same meaning in each country anyway, and as EU citizens we can drive where we like in Europe. And within individual countries we have quiet motorways and busy motorways, so the above doesn't really make much sense to me. Forgive me.
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With the exception of the R-X motorway, all of the motorway list had an expected of AADT of 5.000 or less with not expectations to improve much.

Also, I consider the situation that if certain motorway is constructed, the need of another decreases.

Real example: The construction of A-43 made useless constructing A-32 beyond Torreperogil. With A-43 open, long distance traffic will use this route. There's Jaen-Albacete, but the motorway isn't needed for connecting two cities with small relationship.
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Once I read about a proposal to widen A-2 between La Almunia and La Muela to 2x3. I don't think it is needed now, given that section has an AADT of 20,000, and it doesn't get congested at all.
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Haven't read about that. Just only (existing 2x3 to La Muela)
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Old January 31st, 2016, 08:51 AM   #5975
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There's little meaning on an expansion of A-2 between its current ending and La Almunia.

In Spain, not many 3x3 are needed. The worst cases of 2x2 thst need ampliation ASAP are A-3 (6 km), A-5 (5 km), A-4 (3 km), A-42 (2 km). Surprisingly or not, all of those sections are paralel to the R-X motorways.

About the list of "useless" motorways, the list doesn't mean that constructing new motorway is bad, quite the contrary.

The thing is that they're projects that no had possible traffic to cover. Although AADT is not the only factor here (there's truck traffic, time saved, security) an autovia that has an AADT of 2.000 or 3.000 is unnecessary. And that would means that a lot of national or basic had to be 2x2, which don't make sense.

If I had to put all trams with less than 10.000, I had to put a lot of motorways:
4 examples.
A-5 Miajadas-Merida
A-6 Benavente-Astorga y Villafranca del Bierzo -Becerrea.
A-23 Teruel-Cariñena.
A-50 Avila-Salamanca.

None of them are "useless motorways".

I want to make the list of urban useless motorways (fortunately is small). Here's the list

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GR-12: Acces to granada Airport.
Cause: Expected little traffic. For the same reasons that AI-82/A-81.
GR-16: Est access to Motril's port..
Cause: Too little traffic. The Western acces is expected to have way more traffic.
HU-20: South Variant of Huesca.
Cause: Huesca is not a city that requires a lot of by-pass. Also, first start to work on the northern one before using the south one.
M-12: M-40-M-13.
Cause: Too little traffic for the area it crosses. Also, it has an alternative.
TO-22: West access to Toledo to AP-41.
Cause: Connections to the most useless motorway constructed. Too little traffic.
Note: Includes dual-carriage-way roads that nowhere had AADT standards to be 2x2.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 10:24 AM   #5976
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RM-16 could be the least used autovía in Spain. I could not find traffic counts, but it serves a recently built airport that is not operational due to being built in a no-fly zone.

Though RM-16 only has one actual interchange, the other is a roundabout interchange with A-30.
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Since 2007 have heard nothing about HU20.

If only they finished A22!!!
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Old January 31st, 2016, 12:49 PM   #5978
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A-79 is not a motorway. It does a good job relieving a congested stretch of A-70 however. Also, some other motorways on this list are only vague plans. Never heard of GR-12, nor HU-20.

I think that not even Madrid's Radiales are useless -it's good to have a parallel road in a corridor so important as these. That way there's an alternate road in the event of a closure (accident, roadworks...). We could discuss if tolling them was a good idea (they're obvioulsy empty because of that). But with Madrid's growth in the early 2000s, and considering how cheap it was to build roads there (plus the fact that a big part of M-50 was part of the deal, and this one is toll-free), I don't think they are that evil as it's often pictured in the media: since recession started, they've constantly been the punching bag of journalists.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 01:36 PM   #5979
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HU-20 was written in several reports in 2006ish

It would join Walqa centre to Sietamo in the south bound of Huesca.

A Zaragoza-Barbastro-anywhere in the Pyrenees will save 6 o 7 km

But it was just a project when full of projects were over bureaus

It will be enough (for instance) to finish A-22 (and in 2016 there is no budget for it)
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Old January 31st, 2016, 08:04 PM   #5980
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A-79 is not a motorway. It does a good job relieving a congested stretch of A-70 however. Also, some other motorways on this list are only vague plans. Never heard of GR-12, nor HU-20.

I think that not even Madrid's Radiales are useless -it's good to have a parallel road in a corridor so important as these. That way there's an alternate road in the event of a closure (accident, roadworks...). We could discuss if tolling them was a good idea (they're obvioulsy empty because of that). But with Madrid's growth in the early 2000s, and considering how cheap it was to build roads there (plus the fact that a big part of M-50 was part of the deal, and this one is toll-free), I don't think they are that evil as it's often pictured in the media: since recession started, they've constantly been the punching bag of journalists.
If the R-X were toll-free, it wouldn't be useless at all. (Actually, the latest project of R-1 is actually toll-free!!!). Same with AP-36, in the sense that a free motorway that actually serves Quintanar de la Orden, Mota del Cuervo, Las Pedroñeras would be useful to drop traffic on A-3 (and made that A-3 would be mainly Madrid-Valencia/Castellon, like it historically has been.

Actually, if you'll read the list, you find out that very few of the motorways are actually in construction or are put in service. For better visualization, I use colors:
Red: No plans of constructing it soon.
Orange: Motorway on works, or mix of trams in service, works and/or planning stages.
Green: Motorway on service.

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