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Old March 13th, 2016, 01:34 PM   #6041
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We were speaking about empty motorways and pointless airports, so here's a video of... well that



@Chris: Don't miss M-30. It's really something to see. And also the first kilometers of A-2. They're really cool. A-6 and M-40 would complete my to-drive list if I didn't have much more time than one day.
You can say almost the same with the 16,6 opened km of SE-40 (starting at 1:40):


Compare the traffic of SE-40 with the one of SE-30

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Old March 15th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #6042
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M-30 is the busiest motorway in Europe with over 300,000 ADT. M-40 could never handle that much.

By the way, despite M-30 and M-50 not being closed, Madrid is a car paradise! Sad that the spaghetti that now makes the 15+15 or so-laned Carlos V was demolished.

Still, Madrid is extremely easy to explore by car, with square-shaped apples and straight, wide avenues outside the old town.
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Old March 15th, 2016, 02:51 AM   #6043
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Some advises to enjoy driving around Madrid:

I'd avoid the road on weekdays more or less from 8 to 10 and from 17:00 to 20:30... there are drivable stretches during rush hours but I'd recommend you using Waze to avoid traffic in real time instead of planning ahead. Even if you plan the route ahead, Waze can save you some jams by re-routing you through some service lanes (although it's not always possible as it's sometimes hard for the GPS to distinghish between main and service/local carriageways).

Fridays are the worst days followed by Mondays. Sunday evenings are also complicated... if it's august, the city will be yours and you can drive whenever you want.

You cannot complete the circle driving the M-50, you can do it driving M-40 and M-30 (although North M-30 is not a motorway and it does have some traffic lights, you might have to detour a little bit if you want to continue through M-30 as it connects by default with other roads if you are driving counterclockwise).

East M-30 is worth to be driven both at daylight and at night with a little bit of traffic as that hectic mass of flowing lights is hipnotic.

"A-" motorways tend to be "not-that-good" as upgrading them to current standards is not always possible due to lack of space. In these terms, A-5 is the worst and A-6 is the best.

Pay extra-attention to not overspeeding in M-30 as there are a lot of speed cams.

To understand the messy signals, you should know more or less where the main roads are and their main signposted destinations (A-1 Burgos, A-2 Zaragoza, A-3 Valencia, A-4 Córdoba, A-42 Toledo, A-5 Badajoz and A-6 A Coruña).

We all know that Spain lacks road rest areas... this is specially true in Madrid. There are no problems finding a petrol station, but if you want to rest, maybe a mall is a better option (but avoid them on weekend afternoons). Some of them are even considered touristic (like Las Rozas Village or Xanadú).

If you want to avoid backtracking by using conventional roads, ask here for advise as it might or might not worth it. Furthermore the conventional road category is a hodgepodge, some of them seem like autovías with a roundabout from time to time while some others are true regional roads.

Customs on traffic jams may vary a little bit within the same region. For example, on long merges where the lanes run together for hundred of meters there are two possible scenarios:
1) Everybody driving until the end and then merging there
2) Merge at the begining leaving most of the merging lane unused
In both scenarios zipping (one car from each side at a time) is the most common merging rule. Do whatever you see (this seems obvious, but sometimes it isn't that clear that the lanes are merging ahead and you might be surprissed by only seeing one of the lanes congested). The closer to Madrid you are, the driving is somekind more "aggressive". It also uses to be more "aggressive" at mornings than at afternoons.
It's hard to go through a congested exit if you don't know it as the queue on the right lane may last for hundreds of meters or even few kilometers. If you miss the queue, trucks often leave big spaces where you are able to get into it (poor truck drivers). The sooner you join the queue the less people will hate you silently.

Drivers go crazy when it rains. Traffic gets more than doubled under such condition (and public transportation gets more crowded than usual, nobody really understand what happens when it rains, the most accepted theory is that cars grow and reproduce with the water and they evaporate with the sun). If it snows... it's better to hire a helicopter hahahahaha
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Old March 16th, 2016, 12:16 AM   #6044
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I think traffic jam etiquette is more or less the same in all European countries except Italy.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 11:46 AM   #6045
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There is only one etiquette in Italy...tear along the dotted line.

Greece and Italy are the only EU countries I hate to drive in. Spain is same as the norm...bar more motorbikes on your inside.
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Old March 29th, 2016, 06:06 PM   #6046
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From The roadside rest area:

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2015 traffic fatalities per 1 million people in the European Union. The official release date by Eurostat is this week.


By Die Welt.
I've made this graph which shows the death rates in the Spanish Autonomous Communities and Autonomous Cities.

Green: 2010-2014 average
Blue: 2014 only.



Sources:
Number of deaths per province: http://www.dgt.es/Galerias/seguridad..._ACCESIBLE.pdf
Population figures: http://www.ine.es/dynt3/inebase/es/i...padre=517&dh=1

Castilla y León has had an average death rate of 80 in the period 2010-2014

However, this might be explained by the following reason: Castilla y León, despite the fact that it's actually bigger than many European countries (e.g. Hungary or Portugal), is very sparsely populated (less than 2.5 M inhabitants). At the same time, many national and international transit routes go through this region, e.g. A-1, A-2, A-6, A-52, A-62, A-66, A-231...

I guess the same could be said for Aragón (the N-II and N-232 are death traps) and Castilla-La Mancha.

Meanwhile, Ceuta and Melilla had a death rate of 0 in 2014

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Old March 29th, 2016, 08:01 PM   #6047
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I forgot to say a few days ago some rocks fell onto the northbound lanes of A-23 between Nueno and the Isuela gorge, crushing two cars and injuring one. This forced to a great detour: What normally is a 9 km drive between Nueno and Arguis suddenly became a 113 km trip that involved going as far West as Murillo de Gallego and taking some local roads, while the return trip was unaffected. And that is staying on paved roads, there's a shortcut that saves 22 km but involves a dirt road. Fortunately they reversed one of the southbound lanes so traffic could go in both directions. They may have cleared the road by now, but they need to secure the slope the rocks fell from before they can fully reopen the motorway.
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At the same time, many national and international transit routes go through this region [Castile and Leon], e.g. [...] A-231...
A-231 is a regional road in Northeastern Teruel province. Something appears to be wrong here. Just appears.
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Old March 30th, 2016, 08:47 PM   #6048
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A-66 Plasencia - Béjar

Some photos of A-66, which I took last summer. I was driving from Marvão, Portugal to La Alberca, Spain that day, mainly to escape the heat and lack of shade in Alentejo. So it took me three days in all to drive all of A-66/AP-66 from Sevilla to Gijón.

This is between Plasencia and Puerto de Béjar (924 m), mostly in northern Extremadura.


A-66-202 by European Roads, on Flickr


A-66-204 by European Roads, on Flickr


A-66-206 by European Roads, on Flickr


A-66-207 by European Roads, on Flickr


A-66-213 by European Roads, on Flickr


A-66-215 by European Roads, on Flickr


A-66-220 by European Roads, on Flickr


A-66-222 by European Roads, on Flickr


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Old March 31st, 2016, 01:07 AM   #6049
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Old April 1st, 2016, 12:38 AM   #6050
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Old April 1st, 2016, 02:17 PM   #6051
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Thanks for the photos. I wonder why Alcañices hasn't got a bypass yet.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 07:03 PM   #6052
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There were plans to extend A-11 all the way to the Portuguese border, but they were put in a drawer and they're still there. And you know that in Spain it's either a motorway or no road at all (or high-speed rail or no rail at all for the matter...).
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Old April 1st, 2016, 09:23 PM   #6053
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Yep, even the bypasses of El Burgo de Osma and Ágreda (both along the same road, N-122) were built as full motorways from the beginning. Aslo Tarazona and Peñafiel would badly need a bypass.
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Old April 1st, 2016, 10:12 PM   #6054
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IMHO, Borja requires a bypass more than Tarazona
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Old April 1st, 2016, 11:10 PM   #6055
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Yup. I say Borja is known for two things: The Ecce Homo and the stop sign. I'll be driving by that (in the other direction ) this Sunday.

In other news, it has been reported on Aragon TV (the regional television channel) that full works on the Figueruelas-Gallur section of the 'World's cheapest motorway' (A-68) have started. Too bad the other section (Gallur-Mallén) is having tendering troubles. And before anyone asks, our fools day is on 28 December, not today .
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Old April 1st, 2016, 11:19 PM   #6056
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And you know that in Spain it's either a motorway or no road at all (or high-speed rail or no rail at all for the matter...).
I noticed some exceptions to this rule in Catalonia. Several C-roads have been upgraded to high(er) standard without becoming a full-fledged autovía.

For example C-37 Manlleu - Olot, C-37 Igualada - Manresa, C-12 south of Lleida, C-51 El Vendrell - Valls (partially), C-15 south of Igualada, some parts of C-55, etc.

These are mostly super two highways or partially / fully controlled acces, sometimes with 2+1 alternating lanes.

By the way does C-41 Amposta - Deltebre really exist? I checked a few locations in Google Earth at it seems to be signed as TV-3454, but the Generalitat de Catalunya shows it as part of its basic network (xarxa básica).
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Old April 1st, 2016, 11:28 PM   #6057
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It is planned to become C-41, but renumbering has not taken place yet. Thus, it is still signed as TV-3454. There are quite a few roads in Catalonia that will be renumbered any time in the future.

It was in Aragon where a renumbering has taken place recently (Autumn/Fall 2014), and Google Maps has not updated yet . For example A-1210 has been rerouted over A-1211 to Almudevar (it previously ran to N-330 near San Jorge, albeit unsigned), while its other end was truncated from A-129 near Sarinena to Granen and replaced by an extended A-1213. It also changed some formerly provincial roads to A-2xxx designations, my latest discovery is what is marked in Google Maps as HU-V-9321 is now A-2615.
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 12:24 AM   #6058
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I noticed some exceptions to this rule in Catalonia. Several C-roads have been upgraded to high(er) standard without becoming a full-fledged autovía.

For example C-37 Manlleu - Olot, C-37 Igualada - Manresa, C-12 south of Lleida, C-51 El Vendrell - Valls (partially), C-15 south of Igualada, some parts of C-55, etc.

These are mostly super two highways or partially / fully controlled acces, sometimes with 2+1 alternating lanes.

By the way does C-41 Amposta - Deltebre really exist? I checked a few locations in Google Earth at it seems to be signed as TV-3454, but the Generalitat de Catalunya shows it as part of its basic network (xarxa básica).
There is a good road providing local traffic. Any change would just be road name
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 01:49 PM   #6059
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I noticed some exceptions to this rule in Catalonia. Several C-roads have been upgraded to high(er) standard without becoming a full-fledged autovía.

For example C-37 Manlleu - Olot, C-37 Igualada - Manresa, C-12 south of Lleida, C-51 El Vendrell - Valls (partially), C-15 south of Igualada, some parts of C-55, etc.

These are mostly super two highways or partially / fully controlled acces, sometimes with 2+1 alternating lanes.
You can add to that list several high standard bypasses (i.e. without at grade interchanges and some 2+1 sections) built in the last decades in N-340, such as Vilafranca del Penedès, El Vendrell or Torredembarra, and more recently, L'Aldea and Vinaròs. The same kind of bypasses can be found in Girona and in Figueres in N-II. However through traffic now uses free section of AP-7 west of Girona instead of the 20-year old N-II bypass east of the city.

Some of them will probably be upgraded in the future to autovía standards (namely Torredembarra bypass) and thus become part of A-7, but at least for now through traffic can avoid crossing towns.
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