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Old April 2nd, 2016, 04:49 PM   #6061
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 05:29 PM   #6062
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I guess verreme was referring mostly to the roads managed by Fomento. Sometimes you could easily and quickly improve safety just by building a couple bypasses, but Fomento prefers to wait until the whole Autovía is built - if it ever gets built.

Regarding regional roads, some regions have built high standard 1+1s in the last years. Galicia and Andalusia come to my mind, apart from Catalonia. I recall watching the Vuelta a España and noticing the fact that many of those regional roads were actually better than the average national road.

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IMHO, Borja requires a bypass more than Tarazona
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 06:37 PM   #6063
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 07:53 PM   #6064
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In other news, it has been reported on Aragon TV (the regional television channel) that full works on the Figueruelas-Gallur section of the 'World's cheapest motorway' (A-68) have started.
El Periódico de Aragón also has a story on it: http://www.elperiodicodearagon.com/n...2_1099805.html

Present-day N-232 carries 13,000 vehicles per day, 50% of that is truck traffic.

It won't be long before AP-68 becomes completely irrelevant between Zaragoza and AP-15...
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 08:43 PM   #6065
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Is AP-68 concession in financial trouble?
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Old April 2nd, 2016, 11:59 PM   #6066
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Old April 5th, 2016, 05:55 PM   #6067
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shadow tolls

Apparently there is quite a large amount of national autovías under a shadow toll concession. It started in 2007 with the Plan de Acondicionamiento de Autovías de Primera Generación to modernize the first generation of autovías. The plan included 2100 kilometers of autovías built in the 1980s. Apparently it was largely executed from 2007 to 2011-2012, but I could not find much more information than from 2007 when the programme started. I'm not sure if the entire 2100 km plan is modernized under a shadow toll concession. It included large sections of A-1, A-2, A-3, A-4 and A-31. The projected cost was quoted as € 6.3 billion in 2007. The modernization was done in two phases, from 2007-2009 and 2008-2011.
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Old April 5th, 2016, 08:17 PM   #6068
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Only 1,000 km were modernised eventually. According to the 2016 budget of Fomento, the total cost is € 4.6 billion. Probably the € 6.3 billion figure referred to the complete plan, which couldn't be completed due to the recession. The concessions will end in 2026.

Screenshot -> http://i.imgur.com/3aQu1YW.jpg

Apart from those, the A-66 between Benavente and Zamora (49 km) also works under a shadow toll concession. In the near future, the A-12 between Burgos and Ibeas de Juarros (4 km) will also be built following the same method.

Altogether, that must make around the 10% of the national Autovía network.

However, there are many regional Autovías built and operated under shadow toll concessions: M-45, C-25, A-601, CM-42, AS-2...
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Old April 5th, 2016, 08:29 PM   #6069
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Catalonia also built some non-autovías under a shadow toll concession.

The Netherlands experimented with shadow toll concessions in the 1990s. During that time, a shift from driving to public transport was assumed by policymakers, which never materialized, so traffic volumes on the concessioned motorways were much higher than forecasted, which of course was not very favorable to the state finances. They also paid a fixed fee per vehicle kilometer, but with the traffic mileage being much higher than forecasted, this also cost much more money than anticipated (three times more than with conventional funding). So they never used this financing method again.

However, this doesn't appear to be a major problem in Spain where autovía traffic volumes are low(er than anticipated).
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Old April 5th, 2016, 08:38 PM   #6070
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However, this doesn't appear to be a major problem in Spain where autovía traffic volumes are low(er than anticipated).
In fact, the concession of some regional Autovías in Madrid has caused great trouble to the regional government because traffic volumes were in fact higher than expected, especially on the M-45, see http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/imagenes...rio_grande.png

Source: http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/11/...86_753250.html


However, regarding first-generation Autovías, I heard that there were no bids for the remaining stretches (e.g. A-1 in Madrid, A-4 in Toledo) because companies considered it too risky due to the low traffic volumes, while Fomento refused to increase the fees because of the recession. In the end, nothing was done.
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Old April 5th, 2016, 08:45 PM   #6071
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However, there are many regional Autovías built and operated under shadow toll concessions: M-45, C-25, A-601, CM-42, AS-2...
Also the weird-numbered ARA-A1. It should fully reopen soon.

IIRC there was a section on A-1 that required a EIA. In a second phase A-5, A-6 and A-62 as well as a section of A-2 in Barcelona province were to be rebuilt too, but as the first phase wasn't completed, the second phase didn't start. I hope any day they complete the plan.

Edit: Apparently A-3 in Madrid didn't got any bids. Had it been rebuilt, I'm sure the Rivas Urbanizaciones-Arganda section would be 2x3 by now, a much needed widening.
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Old April 5th, 2016, 08:50 PM   #6072
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The urban / metropolitan shadow toll roads probably have serious traffic growth, like those in Madrid (interesting to see such strong traffic growth during the recession years!)

However, if you look for example at A-66 Zamora - Benavente.... I drove there last year, there was almost no traffic. I stopped at a fuel station (one of the few directly on an autovía), there was not a single other vehicle and staff was bored.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 03:29 PM   #6073
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N-340a Tabernas Desert

Some photos of N-340a in the Tabernas area. Very un-European landscapes.


N-340a Tabernas-1 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-2 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-3 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-4 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-5 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-6 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-7 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-8 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-340a Tabernas-9 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old April 6th, 2016, 05:44 PM   #6074
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Well, because of the climate, most of the Iberian peninsula has very un-European landscapes, unlike the Italian and Balkan peninsulas. On the other hand, I find Anatolia surprisingly similar, despite the fact that it's farther than the other two Mediterranean peninsulas.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 05:49 PM   #6075
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Chris, did you know that a lot of Western movies are made in the area you have posted?
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Old April 6th, 2016, 05:52 PM   #6076
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I did They have the Fort Bravo & Texas Hollywood studios there. There is also a theme park of some sorts, you can see the flags of the Confederate States, Georgia and Texas in photo 8.
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Maybe they could import some Joshua Trees to plant alongside N-240....
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Old April 6th, 2016, 09:07 PM   #6078
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No please, no more allochthonous species alongside our roads. In fact you can see some eucalypts along the N-340. At least they were planted on purpose... here in La Rioja we have to deal with the ailanthus.
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Maybe they could import some Joshua Trees to plant alongside N-240....
N-240 is not as desertic as that section of N-340 .
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And N-240 crosses all area where CNGL lives..... from corner to corner
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