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Old May 7th, 2016, 08:41 PM   #6101
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There is a new autovía under construction from AP-8 at Durango to Elorrio in Basque Country. It will open 'in a few weeks'. It is 6.4 km long and appears to be a new route for N-636.

http://www.deia.com/2016/05/07/bizka...rira-en-verano
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Old May 8th, 2016, 12:03 AM   #6102
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Old May 8th, 2016, 11:59 AM   #6103
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On time for the Basque regional elections to be held in October
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Old May 8th, 2016, 12:04 PM   #6104
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On time.

http://www.deia.com/2015/08/03/bizka...proximo-verano
http://mugalari.info/2014/11/26/la-d...erano-de-2016/
http://www.naiz.eus/es/actualidad/no...nos-hasta-2046
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Old May 8th, 2016, 12:28 PM   #6105
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Are there plans to extend this autovía to Beasain?
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Old May 8th, 2016, 03:12 PM   #6106
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To Mondragón (Arrasate in Basque language). There's already a motorway under construction between Beasain and Bergara, which is partially in service (Beasain - Antzuola).

Therefore, someday it will be possible to do Durango - Bergara - Beasain driving exclusively in motorways.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 03:16 PM   #6107
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When was the "Ronda del Litoral" (CB-10) built in Barcelona?
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Old May 8th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #6108
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When was the "Ronda del Litoral" (CB-10) built in Barcelona?
For Olympics (1992). I do not know if opened in 1991 or so but that one and Rond de Dalt were opened for Olympic Games.

Litoral is 2x2 and Dalt is 3x3. I remember some handouts with info about best ways to go corner to corner considering distance but also average traffic in those dates.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 05:12 PM   #6109
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Not exactly.

Ronda Litoral (B-10) has two different parts. The urban part between the end of the Ramblas and the Trinitat interchange belongs to the city of Barcelona and it actually opened just before the 1992 Olympic Games (in June 1992).

However, the part between the Llobregat interchange and the end of the Ramblas belongs to the Spanish State and it was opened in different phases: the first one (Passeig Zona Franca - Ramblas) opened in 1981, while the second section (Passeig de la Zona Franca - Llobregat interchange) opened in 1983. Then it was extended to the A-2 - B-23 interchange in 1987. To distinguish it from the urban section, the State section is also known as "Cinturón Litoral" (Litoral Beltway).
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Old May 8th, 2016, 08:46 PM   #6110
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The last segment of BU-30 around Burgos has been delayed from June to '4th quarter of 2016'.

http://burgosconecta.es/2016/05/08/l...alcanza-el-82/
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Old May 10th, 2016, 09:46 PM   #6111
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Several toll road concessions have been 'liquidated'. I don't know exactly what that means, they are in bankruptcy since 2013.

It concerns R-3, R-5 and AP-7 around Alicante.

http://www.diarioinformacion.com/ali...e/1759922.html
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Old May 11th, 2016, 12:36 PM   #6112
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It is not clear at all. I have read another news where it says that they will just stop all kind of operations. Does it mean they will cut motorway, no maintenance, no toll booths or so?.
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Old May 11th, 2016, 09:18 PM   #6113
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La Verdad states that AP-7, R-3 and R-6 R-5 will cease operations and close to traffic if Fomento doesn't take it over by 1 October 2016.

http://www.laverdad.es/alicante/2016...1013205-v.html

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Old May 11th, 2016, 09:26 PM   #6114
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R-5. R-6 doesn't exist and was never planned with that number, but M-61. Fortunately they cancelled it due to environmental concerns. I see R-3, R-5 and the second Alicante bypass (part of AP-7) being closed down. And R-2, R-4, AP-41 and AP-7 between Cartagena and Vera following suit.
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Old May 11th, 2016, 10:19 PM   #6115
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La Verdad states that AP-7, R-3 and R-6 will cease operations and close to traffic if Fomento doesn't take it over by 1 October 2016.

http://www.laverdad.es/alicante/2016...1013205-v.html
LOL. This is almost unreal.

R-3 and R-5 would not be a big loss, but AP-7 is the only decent road in the area despite the low traffic volumes. The toll-free road is narrow and falling apart.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 02:32 AM   #6116
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And R-3 is the only R motorway with a reasonable alignment; it would have a decent AADT if it was toll-free (that wouldn't be the case of R-4 or AP-41, for instance).
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Old May 12th, 2016, 04:20 AM   #6117
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And R-3 is the only R motorway with a reasonable alignment; it would have a decent AADT if it was toll-free (that wouldn't be the case of R-4 or AP-41, for instance).
Both CM-41 and AP-41 (as toll-free) would have made much more sense if they were built to share the road in the almost common section over A-42 from Cedillo to Numancia (they are not even linked!) and if it were to finish on M-407 instead of R-5... M-407 would also have made much more sense if it followed R-5 route North M-506.

That would have made it easier to finish the "Autovía de la Sagra" project linking Illescas, Yuncos and Numancia with Seseña and A-4.

Northern stretch of R-4 would have its public if it were toll-free and there were a full link with M-506 and more and better (i.e. more direct) exists along Parla, Pinto and Valdemoro. The route around there would be great for by-passing some A-42 and A-4 traffic jams, but that road wasn't designed with local traffic in mind (although I think that the ones daily suffering the jams would be the most interested in paying for avoiding them if the price were reasonable).
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R-4+AP-36 is a great backup route to avoid A-3 in summer. Before A-3 was built, drivers were even told to use N-IV, N-301 and N-310 to reach Valencia in busy holiday weekends. And today R-4 is by far a smoother ride than A-4.

As for CM-41, the whole area is itself a very sad story. Politicians, planners and investors who were friends with politicians and planners envisioned it to be a big suburb of Madrid just before recession burst in their faces. Hence A-40, CM-41, AP-41... now that corridor has some of the highest unemployment rates in Spain and lots of empty (or ilegally occupied), derelict housing.
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Old May 13th, 2016, 12:40 PM   #6119
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LOL. This is almost unreal.

R-3 and R-5 would not be a big loss, but AP-7 is the only decent road in the area despite the low traffic volumes. The toll-free road is narrow and falling apart.
R-3 and R-5 will be a big loss, because the M-50 between M-409 and A-6 is a part of the concession.

Wait a few minutes and I explain what concession had x motorways.

The liquidation of AP-7 affects only the Circunvalation of Alacant.

These are the complete list that are risk of closure.
Concessions with Spain with risk of closure.

Concesion of Accesos de Madrid (liquidation on 1/10/2016)
Motorway R-3 (pk 0-pk 29)
Motorway R-5 (pk 0-pk 31)
Motorway M-50 (pk 55-pk 84)


Concession of Henarsa (risk of closing)
Motorway R-2 (pk 0-pk 10; pk 16-pk 61)
Motorway M-50 (pk 0-pk 17)

Concession of Autopista Madrid-Sir (risk of closing)
Motorway R-4 (pk 0-pk 52)
Motorway M-50 (pk 22-pk 45)
Motorway M-31 (pk 0-pk 4)

Concession of Eje Aeropuerto. (in liquidation, risk of closing)
Motorway M-12 (pk 0-pk 9,4)
Motorway M-13 (Junction M-110-M-12)

Concession of AUCOSTA (risk of closing)
Motorway AP-7 (pk 800-pk911)

Concession of Madrid-Levante (in liquidation, risk of closing)
Motorway AP-36 (pk 0-pk 146)
Motorway A-43 (pk 143-pk 172)

Concession of Madrid-Toledo (risk of closing).
Motorway AP-41 (pk 0-pk 49)
Motorway A-40 (pk 118-pk 141)
Motorway TO-22 (pk 0-pk 9)

Concession of CIRALSA (liquidation in 1/10/2016)
Motorway AP-7 (pk 674-pk 505)
Motorway A-7 (pk 508-pk 513)?
Road N-332 (pk 118-pk 121)?


If all those closures are true, Madrid will be heavily affected and the rest of motorway may collapse, specially M-40, M-45 and M-30, the radials (the historical ones) and A-42.

In other words, Madrid city will return to 2003 infraestructure, with little changes (and all the problems with it).

And with the closure of radials, citizen of Madrid will have more retentions of holidays.

Casually (or not)
Barcelona will not suffer any of this closure, and it will stop being the msot congested city of Spain.

Valencia will be barely affected, as all of his motorways are free and the only tolled-one is unaffected.

Sevilla is the same history, because the only toll motorway is "the same concession as in Valencia!!!"

Malaga and Bilbao have ess congestion that the big 4, are easy avoidable and has nor isk of closures.

The Central Asturias area is unaffected.

The Zaragoza area will still have no retentions on roads, a European record.

Zaragoza is one of the few cities of that size with so little traffic congestion in Europe. The causes: little metropolitan area, complete circun valation, sufficient capacity and that outside Zaragoza's area (wich almost 90% is in the city, ultra-rare in Europe) the rest of the zone is almost a demographic desert with little exceptions.

I am not surprised if Zaragoza is the area with the best traffic after... Cordoba!!!!

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Old May 13th, 2016, 04:52 PM   #6120
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Yeah but.....


In early 2000 it could be decided to have better free motorways or tolled motorways. They decided to built tolled motorways and several years later to refurbish free motorways.
Good decission?. Guess....


Will any empty motorway closure create a congestion?. I would state that if traffic in a motorway is near to zero, closing it will increase ner to zero in parallel motorways. Won't they?


About traffic congestion in Zaragoza, as you said, reason is clear. There is barely metropolitan area. There are few people who go from around the city to centre (there are more who live in centre and travel to surroundings indeed!!). Therefore, you will not find these kind of problems we find in another cities.

The worst day to travel around Zaragoza is Monday after Easter (workday at Zaragoza, holiday in almost all regions around and in France). Should anyone has to cross the city, PM next spring and will recommend best way to avoid congestion.
Sometimes we can find congestions coming from snow or beach. I remember a peak weekend with five hours congestion coming from mountains but they will be few days around the year.

In general, just with roads, rings and current motorways you can easily drive corner to corner (another issue is to park.... it is as easy to drive as hard is to park)
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