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Old January 4th, 2008, 12:29 AM   #601
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What would the cost of this Super Autopista ??
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Old January 4th, 2008, 01:23 AM   #602
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I think a lot of Catalonian C-roads wich are only dual carriageway used to be called Autovía. I think since the great renumbering of highways, they changed the standard of an Autovía. I guess most major roads (even one lane) used to be considered an Autovía.
I'm thinking about C-25 (former N-152) between Barcelona and Vic. When it depended on the Spanish Ministry of Public Works it was considered as an "autovía", but now as part of regional network it's considered as a dual carriageway. In any case I think regional government hasn't a clear idea about "autovias"...so I think there aren't autovias in Catalonian regional network from former national highways network.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 03:40 AM   #603
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That's C17.
But I think it's correct that it's called just dual carrieageway, because it's very substandard. I don't know if it even has some level crossing... probably not though. But you can see that viamichelin doesn't classify it as autovia... just dual carriageway.
Do you know what's the official classification of the road?
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Old January 4th, 2008, 12:04 PM   #604
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The Ministery clasify C17 as a 'Vía Preferente de Doble Calzada', so I guess 'dual carriageway' is the best translation available. Not an Autovía at all.

The same happens to C15, C25 and some streches of C16 for instance.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 01:34 PM   #605
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This system is confusing for me... A, AP, R, M, C, N and whatever else
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Old January 4th, 2008, 01:55 PM   #606
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This system is confusing for me... A, AP, R, M, C, N and whatever else
You just only meant the top of the iceberg

There are national numbers, like A and AP, and every Comunidad (Autonomous community) has it's own prefix, like C in Catalonia and CL in Castilla y León. Then every province have their own prefix, like B for Barcelona and SE for Sevilla. Sometimes they also add a V to it, for very local roads. This results in hundreds of prefixes.

I agree Spain is too large for the classic N/A road numbering with up to 3 digits. But the current situation is not very clear to foreigners, a M-xxx can be a rural road to a major Autovía in Madrid.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 02:48 PM   #607
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So it's even more confusing... own road prefix dor every region
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Old January 4th, 2008, 04:24 PM   #608
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A rural road in Soria


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Old January 4th, 2008, 04:51 PM   #609
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Ok, bt M-xxx only can be a a rural road, M-xx can be an Autovia or a dual carriageway.
In general that's true but there are many exceptions. For example, M-501 is an Autovía and M-406, M-506 or M-607 are dual carriageways.

In general the Spanish system is a mess, even for us Spaniards. There are many historical reasons behind it though.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 06:31 PM   #610
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Cierto, no recordaba esas autovías autonómicas.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 06:44 PM   #611
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Some 3-digit Autovía's in Andalucía are also quite important roads, like the A-376 and A-381.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 07:00 PM   #612
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You are right. Also C-415 in Murcia is pretty long.

But in general they are small streches result of upgraded National roads (N-XXX). Most of the times the don't reach motorway standards so are considered dual carriageways.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 08:31 PM   #613
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I don't know the exact figures, but the estimated cost is some number around 1.3e9 euros (1300 million euro), for the 35 km or so.

As an example, the cost of four stretches totalizing around 10 kms is more than 400 million euro:
http://www.deia.com/es/impresa/2007/...php?despiece=1

1. Peñaskal-Larraskitu
Length: 1.687 m
Tunnels length: 1.716 m
Budget: 88.117.598 euros

2. Kadagua-Peñaskal
Length: 2.563 m
Tunnels length: 4.522 m
Budget: 111.902.919,16 euros

3. Gorostiza-Kadagua
Length: 2.575 m
Tunnels length: 3.944 m
Budget: 90.534.458,43 euros

4. Trapagaran-Gorostiza
Length: 3.444 m
Tunnels length: 4.731 m
Budget: 117.377.760,02 euros
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How is this project financed? Does the EU also fund this project?
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Old January 4th, 2008, 09:49 PM   #615
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You must assume EU again is paying a lot towards this, but what a good scheme. Bilbao can be a bit of a bottleneck. This is good for North Spain, and EU too.
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Well, it is an E-road, so it's not that funny the EU funds it too.

But in the Netherlands, we don't take advantage of being in the EU. We are a net payer, but somehow they never ask for EU funding for roads, quite strange.
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I think it wasn't funded by EU. I remember the Council had to get a huge loan to pay it and it will be tolled.
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I think it's reasonable that this road will be tolled, considering the huge amount of tunnels.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 04:09 AM   #619
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I don't know the exact figures, but the estimated cost is some number around 1.3e9 euros (1300 million euro), for the 35 km or so.
That's around 37M€/km! Quite expensive.
Probably be the most expensive motorway in Spain, isn't it?
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Old January 5th, 2008, 05:04 AM   #620
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That's around 37M€/km! Quite expensive.
Probably be the most expensive motorway in Spain, isn't it?
By far I guess.

As far as I know the most expensive non-urban costs in Autovias was around 16 M€ per kilometer. Only some difficult streches like Muros-Las Dueñas in A8 or Nerja-La Herradura in A7 reached that amount of money.

Don't know exact data for urban projects like M30 because it wasn't exactly a motorway under construction.
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