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Old August 4th, 2016, 12:24 PM   #6221
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GC3: Arucas – Tamaraceite-West 3.5km (? to Late July 2016) [direction Tamaraceite] – ? – map
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La circunvalación abre con el 82% de su trayecto ejecutado



La cuarta fase de la circunvalación se pone en uso este jueves de manera parcial:de los 6,8 kilómetros de longitud, se abre un tramo de 4,5 kilómetros. Y de éste, sólo estará operativo el trayecto que va desde Arucas a la capital porque el sentido contrario está pendiente de una expropiación. Con ello, el nivel de ejecución de la vía está a un 82%, según el Gobierno de Canarias.

http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?id=430019
4.5km of the eastbound carriageway are going to be opened today.

The remaining 2.3km of GC-3 the article talks about must be the duplication of current GC-20 between Cardones and GC-2.

According to Google Maps, there are already some works going on there.

https://www.google.es/maps/@28.12077.../data=!3m1!1e3

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http://www.laprovincia.es/multimedia...arta-fase.html





http://www.laprovincia.es/multimedia...-hornillo.html
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S-30 Santander

Some photos of S-30 around Santander in Cantabria. This motorway opened in two phases in 2008 and 2012.

1. Coming from A-67.

S-30-1 by European Roads, on Flickr

2. It rained nearly non-stop on my drive from Gijón to San Sebastián. I was lucky to hit some dry weather around Santander so I could take some photos.

S-30-3 by European Roads, on Flickr

3.

S-30-5 by European Roads, on Flickr

4. S-30 has a few short tunnels.

S-30-7 by European Roads, on Flickr

5. Revilla.

S-30-8 by European Roads, on Flickr

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S-30-9 by European Roads, on Flickr

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S-30-11 by European Roads, on Flickr

8. S-30 becomes S-10 shortly after this exit.

S-30-13 by European Roads, on Flickr
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I have a question about the carreteras comarcales. Spanish Wikipedia doesn't seem to be conclusive about it.

It appears they were introduced simultaneously with the carreteras nacionales in 1941. But when were they discontinued? Were they all transferred to the autonomous communities at the same time? Or did autonomous communities each adopted them separately - at different times? Apparently there was a big transfer of roads from the national network to the autonomous communities in 1988, but the C-roads appeared on most maps until the early 2000s. Or were they transferred in 1988, but not renumbered until later? Possibly at different dates, depending on the autonomous community?
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They were all transferred in 1988, with some autonomous communities such as Aragon renumbering them quickly while some others took their time. Catalonia for example renumbered a bunch of them (What are now the first level regional roads) in 2000, but there are many C-roads left (from the Plan Peña, not the current numbering that also happens to be C-xxx) that are planned to be renumbered in a second round (which should put up the second level regional network) which is yet to happen. Murcia retained C-roads until a few years ago, I don't know exactly when they got renumbered but definitely after 2006 since I was there that year and RM-19 was still C-3319.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 02:06 PM   #6225
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I have a question about the carreteras comarcales. Spanish Wikipedia doesn't seem to be conclusive about it.

It appears they were introduced simultaneously with the carreteras nacionales in 1941. But when were they discontinued? Were they all transferred to the autonomous communities at the same time? Or did autonomous communities each adopted them separately - at different times? Apparently there was a big transfer of roads from the national network to the autonomous communities in 1988, but the C-roads appeared on most maps until the early 2000s. Or were they transferred in 1988, but not renumbered until later? Possibly at different dates, depending on the autonomous community?
Carreteras comarcales, along with three-digit provincial roads (e.g. B-123 for Barcelona, or BU-530 for Burgos), which were also managed by the central government, were for the most part transferred to the autonomous communities between 1980 and 1984:

Basque Country, Catalonia - 1980
Galicia - 1982
Rest of the Autonomous Communities - 1984
Autonomous cities (Ceuta and Melilla) - 1996

However, some of them remained a part of the Red de Interés General del Estado (RIGE). For instance, several accesses to ports and airports were managed by the central government, despite being numbered as comarcal/provincial roads. E.g., Z-300 was the access road to the airport of Zaragoza and it was managed by the central government. Later, in 1988, these roads were renumbered to N-XXX (Z-300 became N-125).

Anyway, although they were transferred in the early 1980s, many of them kept the old C-XXX number for some time. Later, some regions decided to change the C- prefix for the regional prefix keeping the number (LR, CL, NA...) or changed both the prefix and the number.

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http://boe.es/legislacion/legislacio...&accion=Buscar

http://www.seap.minhap.es/web/areas/...traspasos.html

http://boe.es/boe/dias/1988/07/30/pdfs/A23514-23524.pdf
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Old August 8th, 2016, 04:06 PM   #6226
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Thanks guys. So the renumbering process (at least administratively) lasted from 1989 (País Vasco) to 2009 (Catalunya).

The last PDF is also available as plain text: http://www.boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1988-18844 It contains the old A-numbering of 1988, including A-17 and A-19, which are the only A-numbers to have been decomissioned entirely.

What did the 1988 transfer do for road numbering and ownership? Apparently this was the year when a massive amount of roads were downloaded to the autonomous communities, as the RCE declined from 81,000 km to 20,000 km. But the documents posted above indicated that the carreteras comarcales were transferred already before that, between 1980 and 1984.
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Don't forget A-16 and A-18, which are no longer part of the A-xx network. I don't know if they were originally part of the RIGE and then were transferred to the Catalan government and decommissioned, but now they're part of C-32, C-58 and C-16. They don't appear in that list because they had not been built in 1988 (although I think A-18 between Barcelona and Terrassa, now C-58, already existed then).
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Old August 8th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #6228
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Thanks guys. So the renumbering process (at least administratively) lasted from 1989 (País Vasco) to 2009 (Catalunya).

The last PDF is also available as plain text: http://www.boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1988-18844 It contains the old A-numbering of 1988, including A-17 and A-19, which are the only A-numbers to have been decomissioned entirely.

What did the 1988 transfer do for road numbering and ownership? Apparently this was the year when a massive amount of roads were downloaded to the autonomous communities, as the RCE declined from 81,000 km to 20,000 km. But the documents posted above indicated that the carreteras comarcales were transferred already before that, between 1980 and 1984.
According to this PDF (page 3), the decline happened between 1980 and 1985: http://i.imgur.com/d3FViSR.jpg



Some history about Spanish roads:

In 1941, the Plan Peña introduced 3 types of roads which were managed by the central government:

Carreteras nacionales: N-XXX
Carreteras comarcales: C-XXX
Carreteras locales: PC-XXX (PC = Provincial code, see the list)

There were also other minor roads which were managed by the provincial/island governments:
Carretera provincial: PC-P-XXXX
Camino vecinal: PC-V-XXXX (Some provinces used CV-XXX instead, not to be confused with the current prefix for Comunitat Valenciana).


In 1977, the road network managed by the central government was divided into three groups, depending on the importance of the roads:
Red Nacional Básica
Red Nacional Complementaria
Red Regional

See this PDF for the list of the roads that were part of the Red Nacional Básica and Red Nacional Complementaria. Red Regional is not detailed: http://boe.es/boe/dias/1977/11/19/pdfs/A25343-25367.pdf
Plain text version (list not shown): http://boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1977-27384


Between 1980 to 1984, some roads managed by the central government were transferred to the Autonomous Regions.

Once the process finished, a new law was approved in 1988 (which Chris and I have posted above): http://www.boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1988-18844

The second paragraph of the law says:
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Finalizado el proceso de traspaso de funciones y servicios del Estado a las Comunidades Autónomas en materia de carreteras, y en avanzado desarrollo el Plan General de Carreteras 1984-1991, resulta necesario revisar y actualizar el régimen vigente en la materia ...
It means that the process of transferring roads to the autonomous regions has finished. Hence, all the roads that were still managed by the central government were renumbered to N-XXX (national) roads, even those that were C-XXX or PC-.

Some of these "new national roads" created from C-XXX or PC-XXX roads are still substandard, e.g. N-260.
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Don't forget A-16 and A-18, which are no longer part of the A-xx network. I don't know if they were originally part of the RIGE and then were transferred to the Catalan government and decommissioned, but now they're part of C-32, C-58 and C-16. They don't appear in that list because they had not been built in 1988 (although I think A-18 between Barcelona and Terrassa, now C-58, already existed then).
C-58 opened in 1978, but apparently was not part of the national road network.

It's interesting that these decomissioned A-numbers were never reused in the Spanish motorway network. A-16, A-17, A-18 and A-19 all do not exist, while other numbers in this range do exist today, except for A-20. Was A-20 ever planned?
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A-20 was one of the proposed numbers for the now cancelled Guadalajara-Tarancon motorway, the other being A-28.

Another A number decomissioned was A-10 which became M-11. However unlike the A-16 to A-19 range it was then reused by Navarre.

I think A-19 should have remained part of the RCE and made toll-free, it would be part of A-2 now.
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Thanks guys. So the renumbering process (at least administratively) lasted from 1989 (País Vasco) to 2009 (Catalunya).

The last PDF is also available as plain text: http://www.boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1988-18844 It contains the old A-numbering of 1988, including A-17 and A-19, which are the only A-numbers to have been decomissioned entirely.

What did the 1988 transfer do for road numbering and ownership? Apparently this was the year when a massive amount of roads were downloaded to the autonomous communities, as the RCE declined from 81,000 km to 20,000 km. But the documents posted above indicated that the carreteras comarcales were transferred already before that, between 1980 and 1984.

In the case of Aragon, it was in the early 1990 when new numbers applied to all regional roads. They had only two levels. C-XXX and Z(or HU or TE-XXX).

then they made A-XXX in orange for main regional network (34 roads), A-1XXX in green for county roads and A-2XXX for local roads. It just remain the motorway ARA-A-1 opened in 2008.

Some national roads were "upgraded" in name but not in road.....

and the example of N-125... later the biggest logistic platform in southern Europe was built by regional government and that part of N-125 became A-220. Therefore, N-125 starts in km.0 because no new numbers where applied.
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Don't forget A-16 and A-18, which are no longer part of the A-xx network. I don't know if they were originally part of the RIGE and then were transferred to the Catalan government and decommissioned, but now they're part of C-32, C-58 and C-16. They don't appear in that list because they had not been built in 1988 (although I think A-18 between Barcelona and Terrassa, now C-58, already existed then).
AFAIK C-58 opened as B-29, not A-18. At least that says a map of mine from 1988.
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and the example of N-125... later the biggest logistic platform in southern Europe was built by regional government and that part of N-125 became A-220. Therefore, N-125 starts in km.0 because no new numbers where applied.
A-120. A-220 is a totally unrelated road that was C-220 (La Almunia-Carinena) and C-221 (Carinena-Belchite, although I don't think the strecht until Fuendetodos can be considered a road).
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Some more about the Catalunya road numbering...

There are still some 3-digit C-roads, for example this C-149a near Solsona. As I understand, they are part of the 'xarxa comarcal' (comarcal network).

Are these former carreteras comarcales as they existed before 1980? And who owns and operates it, Catalunya or the comarca? They appear to be numbered regionally, not by comarca. There aren't a whole lot of comarcal roads according to Catalan Wikipedia. What is their function besides the autonomous / provincial roads?

From the photo below, I take it that the 'a' suffix means 'antigua' (old)?

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As for the suffixes, they don't mean anything in particular. Sometimes there's an a, sometimes a b or sometimes a z. There's a reason behind the choice but it's not a word beginning with that letter.

Catalan comarques don't manage any roads. These 3-digit C-roads are managed by Generalitat de Catalunya, which is the regional government. In Catalonia, the smallest entity that manages roads, apart from the municipalities, are Diputacions (provincial administration).
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In Catalonia, a, b, c, etc. are used for sections of old C roads that are yet to be renumbered, while z means an old, bypassed alignment of a road. In the rest of Spain, such a road would be suffixed a. I've actually driven a road suffixed b, that's it, an old alignment of an old alignment . And it is fully signed as such! (for reference, it was N-330b through Candanchu ski resort, bypassed in early 90s and then both were bypassed by the Somport tunnel).

And, as verreme said, the provincial diputaciones (this is the word in Spanish) manage some roads. Some, such as Huesca, still retain the old numbering, while others have renumbered theirs. Zaragoza, for example, brought up a numbering that uses only three digits instead of four, as there aren't that many provincial roads. They now use CV-xxx, but I refer to those as ZV-xxx in order not to confuse them with roads on the Valencian community.
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Spanish route numbering never ceases to amaze

Do other regions also have 3-digit C-roads that have yet to be renumbered? Or is it a Catalan thing.

Apparently the Catalan renumbering occured in 2001, not 2009. Perhaps 2009 was the year when it was officially defined.
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In La Rioja, the renumbering process began in 1991 with the Ley de Carreteras de la Comunidad Autónoma de La Rioja.

PDF with the list of new road numbers: http://boe.es/boe/dias/1991/04/27/pdfs/A13420-13432.pdf
Plain text version (list not shown): http://boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1991-10293


However, I remember seeing some old kilometer posts with the C- numbers in green background as late as 2006 or 2007, even though such roads didn't "legally" exist in La Rioja since 1991.

What I mean is, that it took at least 15 years for our regional road authority to physically renumber all the roads. They took it slowly.
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Do other regions also have 3-digit C-roads that have yet to be renumbered? Or is it a Catalan thing.
In Catalonia there are even some 4-digit C-roads with a suffix.

For example C-1412, which is divided in C-1412a (Jorba - Ponts) and C-1412b (Ponts - Tremp). With 113 km in total, it's somehow an important road, so I don't understand why it's not part of the main network.

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Apparently the Catalan renumbering occured in 2001, not 2009. Perhaps 2009 was the year when it was officially defined.
The renumbering of the main network was approved in 1999 but it wasn't implemented until 2001. Then the renumbering of other roads (such as the one I've mentioned) was approved in 2009, but the change of government in 2010 stopped its implementation, if I'm not mistaken.
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Spanish route numbering never ceases to amaze
An A Road may not be a motorway if in Andalucia. Or it may.
A B Road may be a motorway in Barcelona
A C road may be a Motorway..or a goat track..in Catalonia
A Z road is a Motorway in Zaragoza...the Z-40 is one for sure..

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