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Old August 10th, 2016, 08:24 PM   #6241
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El Rocío

I stumbled across this town called El Rocío (pop. 1655) in Huelva province. Every single street is unpaved! Why is that? It looks like an old west town minus the cars.







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Old August 10th, 2016, 08:35 PM   #6242
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Probably it has something to do with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer%..._El_Roc%C3%ADo

Every year in May, almost a million pilgrims go to El Rocío for the "romería", most of them in horse-drawn carriages.
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Old August 10th, 2016, 09:30 PM   #6243
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An A Road may not be a motorway if in Andalucia. Or it may.
A B Road may be a motorway in Barcelona
A C road may be a Motorway..or a goat track..in Catalonia
A Z road is a Motorway in Zaragoza...the Z-40 is one for sure..

Simple in its own utterly mad way.
An A road may be a motorway, a dual carriageway or a single carriageway (in Álava, Andalusia and Aragon).
A one-digit road may not be a motorway (Me-1 in Menorca).
A four-digit road may be a motorway (A-8058 in Seville).

As regards prefixes, let's check every letter of the alphabet:
Code:
A - Autopista/autovía, Andalusia, etc ✓
B - Barcelona ✓
C - Catalonia ✓
D - ×
E - Eivissa (Ibiza) ✓
F - ×, but FE 
G - ×, but GC, GJ, GM, GR...
H - Huelva ✓
I - ×, but IA (for Illas, Asturias)
J - Jaén ✓
K - × 
L - ×, but LL, LE...
M - Madrid ✓
N - Nacional ✓
O - Oviedo ✓
P - Palencia ✓
Q - ×, but QU (Quirós, Asturias)
R - Radial ✓
S - Santander ✓
T - Tarragona ✓
U - ×
V - Valencia ✓
W - ×
X - ×
Y - ×
Z - Zaragoza ✓
To be fair, the road numbering in Asturias helps completing the list

Check the last half of this PDF if you want to have a laugh seeing how they re-use prefixes that are already used in other parts of Spain: https://www.asturias.es/webasturias/...reteras_PA.pdf


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I stumbled across this town called El Rocío (pop. 1655) in Huelva province. Every single street is unpaved! Why is that? It looks like an old west town minus the cars.
As arctic_carlos has said, it's the Aldea del Rocío, a village built around the chapel of the Virgen del Rocío. Here's a little bit of history about it. It's in Spanish, but there are some old photos: http://www.hermandadrociosevilla.com.../Evolucion.htm

And you're right, part of the US "western" culture actually comes from that area of Spain, the mouth of the Guadalquivir river. Words like rodeo, mustang (mesteño), buckaroo (vaquero), ranch (rancho)... Here's an article about it: http://vaqueros.org/vaquero-heritage/
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Old August 10th, 2016, 10:55 PM   #6244
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Probably it has something to do with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer%..._El_Roc%C3%ADo

Every year in May, almost a million pilgrims go to El Rocío for the "romería", most of them in horse-drawn carriages.
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I stumbled across this town called El Rocío (pop. 1655) in Huelva province. Every single street is unpaved! Why is that? It looks like an old west town minus the cars.







C'mon, I thought every spanish person knew the reason but probably is not like that... I live 50 minutes far from there and I have been a hundred times, so I can tell you that there is a good reason, apart of the fact that is much more beautiful to keep in this way and because it's a iconic place with its famous pilgrimage done mainly with animals. But that is not the reason... the real reason is just because of it location: next to a national park (Doñana) and inside a protected area of the surroundings of the national park.

By the way, the real population I think it's much smaller. Most of the houses are for people who use it only during the weekends, is a popular place for resting during the year except the week of the pilgrimation.

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Old August 10th, 2016, 11:13 PM   #6245
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What does being close to a national park have to do with having unpaved roads?
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Old August 11th, 2016, 10:58 AM   #6246
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Check the last half of this PDF if you want to have a laugh seeing how they re-use prefixes that are already used in other parts of Spain: https://www.asturias.es/webasturias/...reteras_PA.pdf
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Old August 11th, 2016, 12:34 PM   #6247
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The first thing I thought when I saw that prefix was '¡coño!' (WTF!, literally the c word) .
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In La Rioja, the renumbering process began in 1991 with the Ley de Carreteras de la Comunidad Autónoma de La Rioja.

PDF with the list of new road numbers: http://boe.es/boe/dias/1991/04/27/pdfs/A13420-13432.pdf
Plain text version (list not shown): http://boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1991-10293


However, I remember seeing some old kilometer posts with the C- numbers in green background as late as 2006 or 2007, even though such roads didn't "legally" exist in La Rioja since 1991.

What I mean is, that it took at least 15 years for our regional road authority to physically renumber all the roads. They took it slowly.
Interesting, according to this the section of NA-134 that dips into Rioja (or better said, where Rioja crosses the Ebro river) is officially LR-131 like the road through that industrial estate East of Logrono but signed NA-134. I drove that road last year.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 02:25 PM   #6248
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Okay, I've compiled a full Asturian prefix list. In the PDF linked by Highway89 some numbers are missing, but it appears they exist and that some roads are maintained by the region (Since it says Red Local 2º orden I guess it would be the province who would be in charge of them instead of the region, but since Asturias is only one province...) and some by the councils. Also note that the name of some councils don't match that of their capitals, so I've added these for reference.
Code:
AE: Aller (Cabañaquinta)
ALL: Allande (Pola de Allande)
AM: Amieva (Sames)
AV: Avilés (Fomento uses AI instead as AV means Ávila)
BE: Belmonte de Miranda
BI: Bimenes (Also means Bilbao and Biscay)
BO: Boal
CA: Cabrales (Carreña, also means Cádiz and Cantabria, the only road with this prefix is council maintained (And does reach Cantabria!))
CB: Cabranes (Santa Eulalia de Cabranes)
CD: Candamo
CE: Carreño (Candás, also means Ceuta)
CL: Colunga (Also means Castile and León)
CN: Cangas del Narcea
CÑ: Coaña
CO: Cangas de Onís (Also means Cordova)
CP: Castropol (Also means provincial road as used by some provinces)
CR: Caravia (Prado, unused, also means Ciudad Real)
CS: Caso (Campo de Caso, also means Castelló de la Plana)
CT: Castrillón (Piedras Blancas, also means Cartagena)
CU: Cudillero (Also means Cuenca)
CV: Corvera de Asturias (Nubledo, also means Valencian Community and neighborhood road (Or 'goat path' as I say) as used by some provinces)
DE: Degaña (Unused)
FR: El Franco (La Caridad)
GI: Gijón (Fomento uses GJ instead as GI means Girona, also means Guipuscoa)
GO: Gozón (Luanco)
GR: Grado (Also means Granada)
GS: Grandas de Salime
IA: Illas (Callezuela)
IB: Ibias (San Antolín de Ibias, unused, also means Balearic Islands)
ILL: Illano (Unused)
LA: Langreo
LL: Llanera (Posada de Llanera, also means Lleida)
LLN: Llanes
LN: Lena (Pola de Lena, complete with Lena river, not to be confused with the Siberian one)
LV: Laviana (Pola de Laviana)
MI: Mieres
MO: Morcín (Santa Eulalia de Morcín)
MU: Muro de Nalón (Also means Murcia)
NA: Nava (Also means Navarre)
NO: Noreña (The only road with this prefix is council maintained)
NV: Navia
ON: Onís (Benia de Onís, unused)
OV: Oviedo (Fomento uses just O, the former plate code)
PA: Peñamellera Alta (Alles, also means Pamplona)
PB: Peñamellera Baja (Panes)
PE: Pesoz (Unused)
PI: Piloña (Infiesto)
PO: Ponga (San Juan de Beleño, also means Pontevedra)
PR: Proaza
PV: Pravia
QU: Quirós
RA: Ribera de Arriba (Soto de Ribera, unused)
RD: Ribadedeva (Colombres)
RE: Las Regueras (Santullano)
RI: Riosa (La Vega)
RS: Ribadesella
SA: Santo Adriano (Villanueva, unused, also means Salamanca)
SB: Soto del Barco
SC: Sobrescobio (Rioseco)
SD: Somiedo (Pola de Somiedo)
SE: Santa Eulalia de Oscos (Also means Seville)
SI: Siero (Pola de Siero)
SL: Salas
SM: San Martín del Rey Aurelio
SO: San Martín de Oscos (Unused, also means Soria)
SR: Sariego (Vega)
ST: San Tirso de Abrés
TA: Taramundi (Unused)
TC: Tapia de Casariego
TE: Teverga (La Plaza, also means Teruel if it exists at all)
TI: Tineo
VA: Valdés (Luarca, also means Valladolid)
VE: Vegadeo (The two roads with this prefix are council maintained)
VO: Villanueva de Oscos (The two roads with this prefix are council maintained)
VV: Villaviciosa
VY: Villayón
YT: Yernes y Tameza (Villabre, unused)
And to top that, Asturias has also a section of the proposed Badajoz-Granada motorway (A-81)!!! Now that is crazy.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 04:54 PM   #6249
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Well done.

What happens when you double up for Motorway grade roads only.?

AA-
BB-
....
ZZ-

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As regards prefixes, let's check every letter of the alphabet:
Code:
A - Autopista/autovía, Andalusia, etc ✓
B - Barcelona ✓
C - Catalonia ✓
D - ×
E - Eivissa (Ibiza) ✓
F - ×, but FE 
G - ×, but GC, GJ, GM, GR...
H - Huelva ✓
I - ×, but IA (for Illas, Asturias)
J - Jaén ✓
K - × 
L - ×, but LL, LE...
M - Madrid ✓
N - Nacional ✓
O - Oviedo ✓
P - Palencia ✓
Q - ×, but QU (Quirós, Asturias)
R - Radial ✓
S - Santander ✓
T - Tarragona ✓
U - ×
V - Valencia ✓
W - ×
X - ×
Y - ×
Z - Zaragoza ✓
I expect Spain can deliver.
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Well the quirkiest road number for a Spanish motorway may be ARA-A1.

You might also like the fact that Ma-20 is not the same road as MA-20 . We also have an E-20 that's not in Denmark or Sweden.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 05:29 PM   #6251
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You might also like the fact that Ma-20 is not the same road as MA-20 .
One is the Palma Bypass IIRC...and the other?
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Former A-7 through Málaga.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 05:52 PM   #6253
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Well done.

What happens when you double up for Motorway grade roads only.?

AA-
BB-
....
ZZ-



I expect Spain can deliver.
There is AA-11 in the plans . CC means Cáceres. LL means Lleida. And there's VV listed among the Asturian prefixes, though not motorways.
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Well the quirkiest road number for a Spanish motorway may be ARA-A1.

You might also like the fact that Ma-20 is not the same road as MA-20 . We also have an E-20 that's not in Denmark or Sweden.
How about A-231 motorway and A-231 road? Though I consider the latter to be the sole A-231 .
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Former A-7 through Málaga.

So a simple clear instruction EG ....follow the Ma-20 to the airport....could cause lots of GPS induced pain.
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In Catalonia, a, b, c, etc. are used for sections of old C roads that are yet to be renumbered, while z means an old, bypassed alignment of a road. In the rest of Spain, such a road would be suffixed a.
Another problem regarding road numbering in Catalonia: when the renumbering of old C roads took place, they didn't renumbered the old alignments that had already been bypassed at that time. For instance:

Old C-246 between Sitges and Cubelles was bypassed by a new alignment of the road in the 80s, and the old road became C-246a. When in 2001 C-246 became C-31, C-246a wasn't changed to C-31a or C-31z (applying the new criteria), and still today it's numbered C-246a.
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Presumably Catalonia would have a good sort out of road numbering if it becomes independent? There won't be the political justification for numbering as much as possible as 'C-xxx' anymore.
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Presumably Catalonia would have a good sort out of road numbering if it becomes independent? There won't be the political justification for numbering as much as possible as 'C-xxx' anymore.
Allegedly all main roads (including motorways) would be renumbered as "C-xx" roads in case of Catalonia becoming independent (or if all roads are transferred to the Catalan government). For instance, there are roads like C-25 or C-31 which are already prepared and don't begin with a 0 km post, but have instead a higher number (km 83 in C-25 and km 136 in C-31).

That's because C-25 would absorb A-2 between the border with Aragon and Cervera and C-31 would do the same with N-340 between the border with the Comunitat Valenciana and El Vendrell (and probably also with N-II between Montgat and Malgrat de Mar).
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Well the quirkiest road number for a Spanish motorway may be ARA-A1.

You might also like the fact that Ma-20 is not the same road as MA-20 . We also have an E-20 that's not in Denmark or Sweden.
And you can find a RM road outside Región de Murcia: Ronda Maó (bypass of Maó, Menorca), see: http://www.cime.es/Documents/Edictes/Docum%5C1200.pdf



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Allegedly all main roads (including motorways) would be renumbered as "C-xx" roads in case of Catalonia becoming independent (or if all roads are transferred to the Catalan government). For instance, there are roads like C-25 or C-31 which are already prepared and don't begin with a 0 km post, but have instead a higher number (km 83 in C-25 and km 136 in C-31).

That's because C-25 would absorb A-2 between the border with Aragon and Cervera and C-31 would do the same with N-340 between the border with the Comunitat Valenciana and El Vendrell (and probably also with N-II between Montgat and Malgrat de Mar).
Are there any plans to renumber all provincial roads (L-, T-, GI-, B- and LV-, BP-, etc) according to the vegueríes?
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There is also RC-1 and RC-2 on Menorca. Ronda Ciutadella (Ciutadella Bypass).

There is also a whole system of color coding behind the numbering system.
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Allegedly all main roads (including motorways) would be renumbered as "C-xx" roads in case of Catalonia becoming independent (or if all roads are transferred to the Catalan government). For instance, there are roads like C-25 or C-31 which are already prepared and don't begin with a 0 km post, but have instead a higher number (km 83 in C-25 and km 136 in C-31).

That's because C-25 would absorb A-2 between the border with Aragon and Cervera and C-31 would do the same with N-340 between the border with the Comunitat Valenciana and El Vendrell (and probably also with N-II between Montgat and Malgrat de Mar).
The Catalan road numbering system has gaps for all State-owned roads. For example, C-1x roads are North-South roads from West to East. There's no C-11, because that's N-230 .

N-II between Montgat and Malgrat is already transferred to Generalitat de Catalunya, but they have not renumbered it.
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