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Old September 27th, 2016, 02:51 PM   #6421
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Lleida Airport, located near a town called Alguaire, 5 km away from that sign on A-14.
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Old September 27th, 2016, 05:32 PM   #6422
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i know , but the sign is confusing
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Old September 28th, 2016, 12:42 AM   #6423
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Alcúdia - Cap Formentor (15.09.2016)

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Old September 28th, 2016, 12:43 AM   #6424
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Old September 28th, 2016, 05:57 PM   #6425
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N-123 Olvena Canyon

A lesser-known driving gem in Aragón, N-123 though the Olvena Canyon. I didn't know about this canyon until the evening when I mapped my trip from Balaguer to Hecho for the next day. It's a real treat.

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Old September 28th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #6426
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N-123 through the Olvena canyon wasn't even a comarcal road back in the day, it was a provincial one with the number HU-904. Back then C-139 ran along present day A-2211 through La Puebla de Castro, and N-123 was assigned to the Zaragoza-Huesca road (which later became a realigned N-330). After N-123 was reassigned to the Barbastro-Benabarre route, the shortcut South of Barasona reservoir (also in the video) was built. Also, since national road numbering is still based off Plan Peña, current N-123 has a bad number, it should have a 3 as middle digit. N-131 would have been a better number for this road.
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Old September 28th, 2016, 10:02 PM   #6427
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When was this part of N-123 built? It looks like a fairly high-standard road for such terrain. Quite different than say, N-260.
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Old September 28th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #6428
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When was this part of N-123 built? It looks like a fairly high-standard road for such terrain. Quite different than say, N-260.
In 1996 (to be honest, in the middle of Atlanta Olympics), this bridge was opened to traffic

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.06540.../data=!3m1!1e3

In those dates, the full Olvena gorge was under refurbishment.... I remember being on a bus and a mate said that he remembered even worse!!! and pointed me quite old streches

I would state that in 96-97 was fully refurbished till damn.

This curve was a nightmare
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.10242.../data=!3m1!1e3

Proposal was to build two bridges and a tunnel through the other side of the river but got down due to environment issues. Right side of the river is not affected by road and wanted to kept on. Therefore, limited to 60 km/h there and for a time...

Finally, former N123 was via Graus (one km before Graus) and crossed this bridge
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.17956...7i13312!8i6656

From Graus to Torres del Obispo it is enough to see that road hasn't same standards... it wasn't refurbished.
If you see a road from the damn to Pueyo de Marguillen... it is due to it was former N-123 to Aguinaliu. Nowadays, half of that road has no traffic indeed.

From damn to Torres del obispo, road was built in those years (96-97).


As you would see... coming from Toulouse, you can enter in Spain via Viella, cross the tunnel and, in Benabarre, choose Lerida for Valencia or Catalonia or choose Barbastro (A-22 and later A-23) to Zaragoza and almost any destination in Spain, Portugal or Morocco.

In addition... road is officially "Zaragoza to France via Viella" but km. 0 is in Barbastro and has only "own kilometres" from Barbastro to Benabarre.... but I could surf into quite former signals in Zaragoza pointing Huesca as N-123.

km 0 (https://www.google.es/maps/@42.02208.../data=!3m1!1e3) was a huge black spot before a roundabout in different steps was built. There was indication, limited to 80, radars in both directions.... and black spot.

Do not get surprised if I say that A-22 works there started before roundabout was finished (and now it has barely traffic)
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Old September 28th, 2016, 11:38 PM   #6429
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A lesser-known driving gem in Aragón, N-123 though the Olvena Canyon. I didn't know about this canyon until the evening when I mapped my trip from Balaguer to Hecho for the next day. It's a real treat.
Your video is blocked in Germany because of the music...
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Old September 29th, 2016, 12:54 AM   #6430
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Old September 29th, 2016, 12:55 AM   #6431
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Old September 30th, 2016, 12:23 AM   #6432
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@CNGL, HU-904 was actually C-139 in practice. In other words, traffic used HU-904 as id it were C-139. There's a lot of examples. To go to Jaca, almost anyone used C-136 or N-240, never old N-330. (in 1982, N-330 started to run for Monrepos pass, this is why Shulamithe found "mojones" colored with N-330.

And believe or not, N-240 has more traffic around here than A-22. Cause: A lot of traffic go to Barbastro or to use N-123, who isn't connected to A-22. Remember that Barbastro is the town for many villages. Among other things, Barbastro has one of the only six places in Aragon region that have maternity service. Unlike alserrod said, this stretch has traffic.

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Old October 2nd, 2016, 03:26 PM   #6433
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Z-40 Zaragoza

I made a video of the entire Zaragoza Ring Road (Z-40).

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Old October 2nd, 2016, 05:00 PM   #6434
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A quick guide on interchanges featured in last Chris' video (All five four-way controlled in Aragon ). Note all names are given by me, they are not official:
1:00 & 7:05: Santa Isabel (First time East to West, second time South to North)
1:40: Parque Goya
2:20: Torres de San Lamberto
3:30: Rosales del Canal (which actually is three km off exit 33)
4:25: Valdespartera
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Old October 3rd, 2016, 04:09 PM   #6435
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A-15 and AP-15 have some distance signs for cities in France.

This is on AP-15 between Pamplona and Irurtzun.

AP-15 Paris sign by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old October 4th, 2016, 04:20 PM   #6436
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A14: Alguaire – Lleida (A2) ~8km (October 2013 to October 2016) – ? – map
It has been postponed to early 2017:

http://www.segre.com/noticies/comarq...3108_1091.html
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Old October 4th, 2016, 07:25 PM   #6437
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A-15 and AP-15 have some distance signs for cities in France.

This is on AP-15 between Pamplona and Irurtzun.

AP-15 Paris sign by European Roads, on Flickr
I wonder how many foreign drivers do understand that Bayona and Burdeos are actually Bayonne and Bordeaux. I think foreign cities should always be signposted in their native name (or English name, if there's one widely used). And of course an oval would help too.
For example, Slovenia and Croatia used to signpost Trst only, but in new signs now there's always Trst/Trieste.
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Old October 4th, 2016, 07:36 PM   #6438
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I thought that Toulouse was Tolosa in spanish. As the city along N1 between SS and Vitoria.
And Bayonne (in french) is Baiona in basque or spanish. With a "i", not "y".
I never paid attention to this sign before.
Maybe it's a new one.
But I have to say that spanish are better than french to mention cities of other countries.
Here I believe there is the direction to San Sebastian along the A63 from Bordeaux to the border and Zaragoza near Pau to the border through the Pyrenees mountains.
Certainly disappointing for spanish before the gps !

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Old October 4th, 2016, 07:53 PM   #6439
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I wonder how many foreign drivers do understand that Bayona and Burdeos are actually Bayonne and Bordeaux. I think foreign cities should always be signposted in their native name (or English name, if there's one widely used). And of course an oval would help too.
For example, Slovenia and Croatia used to signpost Trst only, but in new signs now there's always Trst/Trieste.
Conversely it is always signed "Saragosse" on N134/E07 road. It is quite different to Zaragoza but every one knows it
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I thought that Toulouse was Tolosa in spanish. As the city along N1 between SS and Vitoria.
And Bayonne (in french) is Baiona in basque or spanish. With a "i", not "y".
I never paid attention to this sign before.
Maybe it's a new one.
But I have to say that spanish are better than french to mention cities of other countries.
Here I believe there is the direction to San Sebastian along the A63 from Bordeaux to the border and Zaragoza near Pau to the border through the Pyrenees mountains.
Certainly disappointing for spanish before the gps !
In Spanish it is Bayona (even that town, even a small galician village)

Toulouse is Tolosa but often writen in French for the reason hoy said
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