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Old November 6th, 2016, 02:33 PM   #6601
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GI-632 Beasain - Antzuola

Some photos of GI-632 from Beasain to Antzuola in Basque Country. This autovía was extended westward in stages, the N-I (A-1) interchange opened in 1992, and was extended west to Ormaiztegi in 1998, then to Zumarraga in 2005 and around Zumarraga in 2012. The latest extension to near Antzuola opened in 2015.

It's a fairly scenic route to drive, with a view on the surrounding mountains.


1. The A-1 interchange (signed as N-I in Gipuzkoa province).

GI-632-1 by European Roads, on Flickr

2. 'autobia'.

GI-632-2 by European Roads, on Flickr

3. Ormaiztegi.

GI-632-5 by European Roads, on Flickr

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GI-632-7 by European Roads, on Flickr

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GI-632-10 by European Roads, on Flickr

6. Zumarraga.

GI-632-13 by European Roads, on Flickr

7. and 'end autovía' sign, probably left over from the time the autovía ended here.

GI-632-14 by European Roads, on Flickr

8.

GI-632-15 by European Roads, on Flickr

9. You can see this stretch of autovía is newer by the signage. It uses the Transport Heavy typeface.

GI-632-16 by European Roads, on Flickr

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GI-632-17 by European Roads, on Flickr

11. Tunnel Deskarga.

GI-632-19 by European Roads, on Flickr

12. GI-632 ends just short of Antzuola.

GI-632-20 by European Roads, on Flickr

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GI-632-21 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old November 6th, 2016, 05:46 PM   #6602
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Some photos of N-230 at the Aragón/Catalunya border, just south of the Vielha Tunnel.


N-230-1 by European Roads, on Flickr


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N-230-5 by European Roads, on Flickr

Thanks.

Did you take advice that traffic signals in the north side of Catalonia (and partially Aragon) are with French standards instead of Spanish standards?

N-230 is to be upgraded to A-14 till Aren (120 km/h till Benabarre, 100 later) and a new road later until tunnel... but nowadays they are just working on link near A-2 and no news about the rest.
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Regarding A-23 works on Monrepos pass, one forumer posted this pdf (18 Mb to download) with full pictures and a smart scheme about lanes built and under construction

http://www.mediafire.com/file/8se29c...isita+obra.pdf
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Old November 6th, 2016, 09:04 PM   #6604
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J-12 Jaén

A bizarre development in the Andalusian city of Jaén. They demolished a 3.5 km stretch of autovía J-12 to make way for a tramway that was completed in 2011. The tram operated for 2 weeks, and then stopped operations ever since. € 75 million down the drain.



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Closed since 2011 (actually it never opened, there was just trial free-of-charge service for a few days) due to political disputes between the Andalusian regional government and the city council about who had to pay for the operating costs of the service.

The underlying issue, of course, is that a city the size of Jaén should've probably never had a tramway line built, but that discussion belongs to other threads.
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Old November 6th, 2016, 11:41 PM   #6606
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AG??: Domaio – Domaio (AP9) 3.3km (October 2015 to Late 2017) [2nd c/w] – ? – map
The offcial name is AG-46, Autovía do Morrazo.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/AG-46

This first section is supposed to open in October 2017. Currently the existing carriageway is closed to traffic in order to enable the works to advance at full speed.

Works on a second section (Domaio - Meira, 4 km) started last June and are supposed to be completed in 2018. A second carriageway will be added next to the existing one.

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http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia...3296479352.htm

http://www.farodevigo.es/portada-o-m...s/1563800.html
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Old November 6th, 2016, 11:43 PM   #6607
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A bizarre development in the Andalusian city of Jaén. They demolished a 3.5 km stretch of autovía J-12 to make way for a tramway that was completed in 2011. The tram operated for 2 weeks, and then stopped operations ever since. € 75 million down the drain.
I agree however on the refurbishment. I was in Jaén before and after the works and the results are quite good. The problem was the industrial area and the hospital (the buildings at the other side of the motorway) being inaccessible for pedestrians, unless they used the motorway shoulders.

Anyway, the speed limit was already 70 km/h, as it was an urban area, the motorway ending in a roundabout some hundreds meters later.

A big area between the city limits and the industrial area was built since the late 1990s when a former railway line was dismantled, so the industrial area and the hospital weren't anymore beyond city limits, but within them.

The construction of the tramway line was the main reason to improve this stretch, updating a motorway into a main avenue with traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, and additionally the tramway line. Long-distance traffic is not affected as on the early 1990s a new outer variant of the A-44 motorway was built.
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Old November 7th, 2016, 12:24 AM   #6608
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Thanks.

Did you take advice that traffic signals in the north side of Catalonia (and partially Aragon) are with French standards instead of Spanish standards?
I've only seen French-standard signs in Lleida province, and not only on the northern part. I don't know the reason why they're using them. They seem to be mostly on N- roads.
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Old November 7th, 2016, 05:03 PM   #6609
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I couldn't find an opening date for J-12, but I'm guessing it is older than A-44, which opened in 1995/1996. N-323/J-12 was probably the main route for through traffic until A-44 was built.

I wonder if J-12 even exists now. There is no autovía left over, it's just a dual carriageway with roundabouts. It is signed as N-323a from A-316.
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Old November 8th, 2016, 12:28 AM   #6610
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I couldn't find an opening date for J-12, but I'm guessing it is older than A-44, which opened in 1995/1996. N-323/J-12 was probably the main route for through traffic until A-44 was built.

I wonder if J-12 even exists now. There is no autovía left over, it's just a dual carriageway with roundabouts. It is signed as N-323a from A-316.
Yes it's older, Around 1984-1989.

I think that some user posted (here or forocoches) some video from RTVE news when J-12 (N-323) was opened as bypass (variante) of Jaén.

My dad hated that road : it was narrow, bad maintenance, and poorly designed, specialy in the old curve (today roundabout) at Jaén University.

More facts: all motorways around are bad designed. Even dangerous. A-44 between Jaén and Granada had asfalt problems since opening.

The connection between A-44 and A-316 was tricky, even today. The main reason is that the initial plan was pass A-44 (N-323 Motorway) along actual J-12 beside actual align.

And A-316 from J-12 to Torredonjimeno was completed arround 1992… with a low road safety standard: 100km/h, some stretches at 80km/h and curves at 60km/h… and crazy ending at Torredonjimeno southern access & Martos Road (A-316) & Córdoba's road (A-306) (Old National road). It was a provisional roundabout for at least 10 years, made of some, yes some, a few bricks, on the asfalt, also provisional. With provisonal roadworks signposts. For 10 years. And I was a big oval roundabout, with a T-shape half-link with underpass with stops sings for enter/exit Torredonjimeno. Works from Torredonjimeno to Martos elapsed more than 10 years.

And more fun facts: poorly designed curves aren't problem if we don't consider that most of the cars in the zone are 4x4 vehicles such as Nissan Patrol and Land Rover Defender, used for recolect olives. Imagine why the speed limits are so low in the zone.

There's dense traffic on mornings from Martos to Jaén (A-316 + J-12), main reason these roads oppened before A-44 motorway.
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Some more Andalusia observations.

A below-grade U-turn on A-92 just outside Sevilla. This seems to be rare. U-turns on autovías are generally rare, they are usually regular interchanges that can be used to turn around.


A-357 west of Málaga. No exit destinations (it is signed similarly in the other direction).


A-8009 north of Sevilla. It turns out that the temporary roundabout just south of La Rinconada was not removed! The extension opened on 9 December 2015, this satellite image is dated 1 February 2016.

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That last one is the definition of the very Spanish word chapuza (bodged job).
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That roundabout must be replaced by a full interchange. The new bridge that can be seen in the aerial image is not enough to remove the roundabout, as then parts of La Rinconada would lose their direct access to A-8009.
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Is there an overview of all shadow tolls (peaje en sombra) in Spain? I know it's a quite common system, but I haven't been able to find a good overview with all shadow toll concessions.

Shadow tolls do not only apply to recent autovías (for example in Catalunya, Castilla-La Mancha, Madrid) but also to some reconstructed segments of the first-generation autovías (A-2, A-4).

Is it correct that there are no shadow toll concessions in Andalusia? Only the southern part of AP-4 was de-tolled (perhaps compensated by the government).
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Andalusia 1992

It struck me how big the motorway network in Andalusia was in the early 1990s. Many were completed in time for the '92 Expo, including much of the flagship A-92.

Andalusia had many more motorways than most other autonomous communities at that time, and was the only one with an extensive network of untolled autovías. Apart from the toll roads in the north and northeast, most autonomous communities had only a few autovías, mostly the radial routes from Madrid, but many were far from completed at the time Andalusia had connected almost all larger cities by motorway. For example A-3, A-5 & A-6 weren't completed until the mid/late 1990s or even early 2000s (A-6).

The routes in blue shown are those built before 1992/1993:
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Andalusia being the first Comunidad Autónoma to had such a network of autovías (and also the first high-speed rail line, in 1992) has much to do with president Felipe González (and much of the elite of the then-ruling PSOE) being from Sevilla.
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It's worth remembering that many of those autovias were not exactly high quality. I remember Andalusia then, and for instance, the N-340 (today A-7) along the coast between Malaga and Estepona was pretty dreadful, with Marbella and Torremolinos being nothing but city streets. The Malaga ring was pretty decent (and still is), but then the N-331 (today A-45) was dangerous and speed limits were ignored.

One interesting thing about Andalusia is the (still) lack of an autovia directly into La Linea on the Gibraltar border.
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A-92 and A-4 were also top chapuzas. Especially A-92. Build quality was terrible and maintenance was non-existant. Grass was growing on pavement cracks barely 10 years after construction. Not to mention the many substandard on- and off-ramps.

However this was common to all first-generation autovías. Virtually no maintenance was performed on their first 10 years of existance. In 2000 they were a gymkhana of patches, bumps and cracks. Some curves were so poorly designed they were downright dangerous. And there were many driveways entering the autovía without a proper acceleration/deceleration lane. Car magazine Autopista did a very thorough report on the Spanish motorway network back in 2000, and another one in 2010. The difference in 10 years was astounding. In 2000 autovías looked like we had just got out of a war. In 2010, almost everything was OK.
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Another chapuza is on A-23 between Zaragoza and Huesca. There is a sinkhole that already caused a brand new village (Puilatos) to be demolished, and years later they built the motorway right through there. As a result it repeatedly sinks despite being repaired.
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A-357 west of Málaga. No exit destinations (it is signed similarly in the other direction).
Wow, I didn't expect an unnamed exit to exist in Spain! A recent thread over on the AARoads forum asked about that.
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A-92 and A-4 were also top chapuzas. Especially A-92. Build quality was terrible and maintenance was non-existant. Grass was growing on pavement cracks barely 10 years after construction. Not to mention the many substandard on- and off-ramps.
Super top chapuzas 🔝💯🔝💯🔝

Really Strumatic indeed…
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