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Old November 26th, 2016, 10:13 PM   #6661
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When did the Balearic Islands renumber its roads? I've found a document dating back to November 2004 that still used the 'PM' numbers instead of 'Ma'. It also uses the carretera comarcal numbers.

* PM-1: Ma-1
* PM-19: Ma-19
* PM-27: Ma-13

The Balearic network was officially defined in 1990, according to Wikipedia. Another document from 2008 shows the new numbers, with a reference to BOIB núm. 61 de 27/09/2005
I do not know but car plates, when they posted province, where PM until 1990s when they changed to IB (Islas Baleares). People got confused with "Ibiza".

By the way, first car plate in Spain was from Balearic islands (PM-1)




About Fuerteventura motorway... I'll ask about it.
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Old November 26th, 2016, 10:40 PM   #6662
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A54: Lavacolla – Arzua-West 18.5km (? to 2017) – ? – map
Pictures from last August. Cross-posting from the Galician sub-forum in the Spanish forum. Credits to user jomoro.

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Asi estan las obras en el tramo Lavacolla-Arzua.

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Old November 27th, 2016, 03:59 AM   #6663
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I have to say, Spain looks amazing, and it's actually a shockingly inexpensive place to travel, (I was looking earlier in the fall).

With my North American bias, it looks somewhat similar to California.
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Old November 27th, 2016, 03:18 PM   #6664
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Birches and "Scottish" Pines, that picture could be from Finland!
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Old November 27th, 2016, 03:36 PM   #6665
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N-260 Congost de Collegats

Some photos of the Congost de Collegats of N-260 between La Pobla de Segur and Sort in Catalonia.

It is the third canyon on the road from Balaguer, first there's Camarasa, the Congost de Terradets and finally Congost de Collegats.


N-260 Congost de Collegats-1 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-260 Congost de Collegats-2 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-260 Congost de Collegats-3 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-260 Congost de Collegats-4 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-260 Congost de Collegats-5 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-260 Congost de Collegats-6 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old November 27th, 2016, 06:15 PM   #6666
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Stunning ones. How many km have you missed about N-260?
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Old November 27th, 2016, 08:10 PM   #6667
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So far I've driven a number of stretches of N-260:

* Sabiñánigo - Aínsa (via N-260a)
* La Pobla de Segur - Sort
* La Seu d'Urgell - Puigcerdà

N-260 is a road with many faces, some parts are really good while others are ridiculously narrow for a carretera nacional.
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Old November 27th, 2016, 08:34 PM   #6668
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All of them where county roads upgraded to national one as a number. Step by step they are upgrading real road.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 10:12 AM   #6669
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So far I've driven a number of stretches of N-260:

* Sabiñánigo - Aínsa (via N-260a)
* La Pobla de Segur - Sort
* La Seu d'Urgell - Puigcerdà

N-260 is a road with many faces, some parts are really good while others are ridiculously narrow for a carretera nacional.
My favorite stretches of this road are by far Ripoll-Puigcerdà (the famous Collada de Toses and La Seu d'Urgell-Sort. Nowhere in Spain you feel more in the Pyrenees
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Old November 28th, 2016, 11:08 AM   #6670
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C-28 between Esterri d'Àneu and Baqueira (Port de la Bonaigua) is also quite impressive. Actually it's my favorite Pyrenees road. Being 2,072 metres above sea level, it must be one of the highest mountain passes in Spain.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 06:28 PM   #6671
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Soon some politician will decide there is need for an Autovía in the N-260-corridor while Madrid road network still stays neglected... Stunning scenery! What I like about Aragón is that there is a lot of area covered by the Ebro basin with beautiful forests while for contrast there can be found some Arizona-scenery nearby,

Talking about Aragonia; why was the Ebro valley motorway corridor (Pamplona-Barcelona) such a huge priority even in the 60's with reeeally low traffic volumes (back then some 3000-4000 AADT, today still mainly under 10 000)?
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There are no plans to bring the whole of N-260 to motorway standards. The only stretch that was once considered to become a motorway was Figueres-Olot, and so far only a short stretch between Besalú and Olot has been built; there are plans for a bypass of Olot but that's about it. It's the Pyrenees, not some Meseta plains. A motorway there would be awfully expensive and unattractive for local politicians due to the likely environmentalist opposition and the time it would take to be built.

The corridor of the Ebro valley is key for the Spanish economy. Not only because this corridor is full of industrialised, economically powerful cities (especially when compared to the roads radiating from Madrid) but also because it served traffic between Madrid and the Basque Country and Catalonia. So it was two for the price of one. However Pamplona is not in this corridor (Barcelona-Tarragona-Lleida-Zaragoza-Logroño-Miranda de Ebro-Bilbao). AP-15 to Pamplona opened mostly in the late 1970s and remained a dead-end until the 90s.

The low traffic of these early autopistas was the reason for Spain's first motorway plan to be scrapped. Spain was to have a whole network of toll motorways like France, but the first to be built were not profitable so concessionaires were no longer interested on building more. And the State couldn't afford to build such roads toll-free. That's why Felipe González's Government came up with autovías.

However traffic on these corridors is higher than 10.000 vpd. I wonder where do you get these numbers from.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 07:50 PM   #6673
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Zaragoza - Miranda de Ebro carries less than 10,000 vehicles per day on many sections, dropping to some 7,000 - 8,000 vehicles per day. Through La Rioja, N-232 almost consistently carries more traffic than AP-68 despite not being a four lane road.
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N-260

This is also N-260, in Gerri de la Sal (it is not a one-way street). There was alternating traffic, but even without the roadworks it's very narrow.


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Old November 28th, 2016, 08:44 PM   #6675
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Works on a tunnel to bypass that town were started a few years ago (2009-2010 IIRC), but later they were suspended due tot the economic crisis and now only a partial widening of current N-260 through the town is planned (from Chris' picture onwards), while the section he had just passed when he took the picture (where there are buildings on both sides of the road) will be left untouched, which means that two trucks won't be able to pass if they coincide on that stretch.

The tunnel was supposed to be dug beneath the mountain on the left of the picture, as the valley is too narrow to build a new alignment on surface.
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Zaragoza - Miranda de Ebro carries less than 10,000 vehicles per day on many sections, dropping to some 7,000 - 8,000 vehicles per day. Through La Rioja, N-232 almost consistently carries more traffic than AP-68 despite not being a four lane road.
That's indeed low. I've always used AP-68 on holiday weekends, when traffic levels are much higher than that. It can get really busy, with long queues at Alagón toll gate.

Generally speaking traffic on Spanish motorways is highly seasonal. Much of the criticism that some Spanish road projects get in this forum is due to the fact that AADT does not paint an accurate picture of the situation of some roads. Some stretches of AP-7 between Barcelona and France are 2x4 with "low" AADT, but on holiday weekends you understand the need for widening. I used to drive this particular stretch very often and traffic conditions can be very different depending on the time of the year. Like it or not tourism is the main motor of our economy and this is what shapes traffic patterns on these long-distance corridors.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #6677
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There are plans to upgrade Gerri de la Sal N-260 and Bentamillo Congost. This last one with four tunnels.

In a regional thread there is a great deal of info about it.... but seems to go slowwww
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Old November 29th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #6678
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Speaking of AP-68 and N-232, since I had passes through both last year I decided to take NA-134 on the other side of Ebro river up to Logroño. It's a lesser known alternate to N-232 which is like the national road in shape, and almost all towns are bypassed (the exception being Azagra, and even there the 50 km/h limit seems too low).
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Castile and León

The minister of Fomento (public works) met today in Valladolid with the regional president of Castilla y León (Castile and León). In a joint press conference, they announced the following completion dates for motorways in the region:

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BU30: Villalbilla de Burgos (A231) – Quintanaduenas ~8km (? to Late 2016) – ? – map
December 2016 (this is a no-brainer ).

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SG20: Segovia-North (A601) – Segovia-South (AP61) 15.5km (May 2016 to 2019) – projectmap
Spring 2018 (what a positive surprise ).

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A60: Puente Villarente – Santas Martas-South 20km (? to 2018?) – ? – map
October 2018; current degree of progress is 62%.

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A11: Fresnillo de las Duenas – Langa de Duero 21.4km (2009/10 to suspended) – ? – map
A11: Langa de Duero – El Burgo de Osma-West 22.5km (2009/10 to 2017) – ? – map
A11: El Burgo de Osma-East – La Mallona 33km (2009/10 to 2017) – ? – map
Alright, this is far more complicated.

These 3 sections on MichiH's list are actually 6 different sections according to the official terminology (which in addition goes East to West, whereas MichiH's goes West to East):

La Mallona-Venta Nueva
Venta Nueva-Santiuste
Santiuste-El Burgo de Osma
Burgo de Osma-San Esteban de Gormaz (Oeste)
San Esteban de Gormaz (Oeste)-Langa de Duero
Langa de Duero-Aranda de Duero

And the Minister announced today that 4 of them will open in September 2018, while the other 2 will follow in September 2019, although he didn't specifically mention which ones are to open on each date. We can easily guess that Fresnillo de las Duenas – Langa de Duero (Langa de Duero-Aranda de Duero according to the official terminology) is one of the sections opening in 2019, as the construction contract was terminated a few months ago and nothing has changed, but I've no idea which one is the other one opening in 2019.

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A73: Bascones de Valdiva – Pedrosa de Valdelucio 12.0km (Early 2016 to 2020) – ? – map
Although some signs indicating the start of construction works were installed earlier this year, they didn't actually start at that time; a real beginning of the works in early 2017 has also been announced today by the Minister.

Sources:

http://www.rtvcyl.es/Noticia/E00DF4F...erminaran/2019

http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias/...s_1118611.html

http://www.diariodevalladolid.es/not...lid_73345.html

http://www.abc.es/espana/castilla-le...8_noticia.html

http://sorianoticias.com/noticia/201...ria-2019-36072

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Besides, works are about to start on A-12 between Burgos and Ibeas de Juarros (4.2 km, 45M€ - it includes in addition 3 km of connecting roads and flyovers at the interchange with A-1).

http://burgosconecta.es/2016/11/29/f...os-de-la-a-12/
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Old November 30th, 2016, 12:11 AM   #6680
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N-232 in eastbound from Zaragoza has had several fatal accidents in last weeks.
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