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Old December 10th, 2016, 10:34 PM   #6701
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C-25 Vic - Manresa

Another video of C-25, between Vic and Manresa. I filmed it in August.

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Old December 12th, 2016, 05:37 PM   #6702
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Some news about A-23. Today Fomento approved the project of the stretch Sabiñánigo (East) - Sabiñánigo (West). That will connect two existing stretches of this motorway.



This stretch will partially use the alignment of the existing two-lane bypass. It's not a cheap project by Spanish standards at €10 million per kilometer.

Now we have to wait for it to be tendered which depends on whether there's an allocation for it in the state's budget for the current years or not. This motorway will take very long to be completed, but little by little it's managing to go ahead.

EDIT: Linked image is crap. Here's a link to the press release.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 07:03 PM   #6703
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The Sabiñanigo East-West section was going to be much shorter than that, crossing the Sabiñanigo reservoir and then following the current N-330 bypass. As this section is now longer than what is signposted in the adjacent ones (both are open to traffic), I won't surprised if it ends up with kilometers over 1000 meters long.
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Old December 12th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #6704
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Anyways.... Zaragoza-Huesca-Formigal ski resort would be 2 km less with this map
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Old December 13th, 2016, 10:19 PM   #6705
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It seems more apparent that the Spanish government will have to take over the failed toll roads, at a cost of € 5 billion.

http://spanishnewstoday.com/spanish-...s_83604-a.html

The mentioned toll roads are R-2, R-3-, R-4, R-5, M-12, AP-36, AP-41 & AP-7 (Alicante Bypass & Cartagena - Vera). That is 526 kilometers of autopista.

Do you think these will become toll free? If tolling continues there is at least some income to reduce the € 5 billion debt.
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Old December 13th, 2016, 10:39 PM   #6706
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I don't think income is high enough to pay the operation of the toll gates alone.

That said, I don't know what are they going to do with them. If tolls were removed in AP-7 Cartagena-Vera, that would become my route of choice for my yearly trip to Almería because traffic on A-7 between Alicante and Murcia is dreadful. I wouldn't mind paying Alicante-Cartagena, it's very cheap anyway. And Madrid's radiales would meet their original purpose -freeing existing autovías from an enormous traffic burden.

The whole issue is subject to a hot political debate in Spain every now and then -these motorways were the result of banks and construction companies wanting to do business thanks to their tentacles reaching deep into the Government, and now that they're a failure the State is paying them a huge sum of money. So you can say that banks have been paid twice for something we didn't need.
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Old December 13th, 2016, 10:46 PM   #6707
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In a normal business environment, the investors would take on the risk. Now that risk is transferred to the public which I think is not a sound way of governance.

Apparently the Spanish concession law sets these generous compensations if toll roads fail to meet traffic projections. On the other hand, investors should not blindly rely on government figures. If you make an investment, you want to make sure it's worth it. If the government guarantees to bail you out, you probably don't mind about the risk. It's a perverse system.
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Old December 13th, 2016, 11:08 PM   #6708
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Government figures were made up so that there was a justification for business. There were no serious feasibility studies and the investors behind these roads are on the news every now and then because of huge corruption scandals that involved previous governments. Building a toll road parallel to an identical, toll-free one that is going to be widened is nonsense in any country. At least when they opened police enforcement was non-existant so you could drive as fast as you wanted -until Spain learned how to make big cash on speeding and speed traps started to pop along radiales, where you can only drive 120 km/h, the same as in toll-free roads.

It's no secret for every Spanish citizen that very important people in the government got money from the investors to push the plans forward. The whole toll road thing was a premeditated corruption affair which went wrong because Spain's massive economic growth in the early 2000s proved to be an illusion and now we're paying the price. Which is very funny since governments are still talking to the citizens with this preschool teacher rethoric (you were too well off and you spent way too much) while at the same time banks downright robbed us and we're paying them back all the money they wasted in the happy years.
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Old December 13th, 2016, 11:27 PM   #6709
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In a normal business environment, the investors would take on the risk. Now that risk is transferred to the public which I think is not a sound way of governance.

Apparently the Spanish concession law sets these generous compensations if toll roads fail to meet traffic projections. On the other hand, investors should not blindly rely on government figures. If you make an investment, you want to make sure it's worth it. If the government guarantees to bail you out, you probably don't mind about the risk. It's a perverse system.
I think it's a great symbol of everything that was wrong with Spain in the 1990's and 2000's. I could understand the sense in charging something like 1 Euro for the radial toll motorways around Madrid, and introducing a tolling system that sends an invoice monthly to the car owner - but not a system with high tolls and conventional toll booths.
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Old December 15th, 2016, 07:43 PM   #6710
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Bidegi has awarded the final contract to construct the westernmost part of the Autovía de Deskarga (GI-632) in Gipuzkoa province (Basque Country). It runs from Antzuola to Bergara. Construction was paralyzed for some time due to the economic recession. The contract has been awarded for € 41.7 million, and the autovía is planned to open in early 2019.

http://www.diariovasco.com/agencias/...mo-846434.html
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Old December 15th, 2016, 07:46 PM   #6711
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There are also plans to implement some kind of truck toll on A-15 and N-I (A-1) in Gipuzkoa:

Bidegi ha adjudicado también, en este caso a Bidelan, la puesta en servicio y mantenimiento de los nuevos peajes para camiones que se instalarán en la A-15 y la N-1, aprobados ayer por las Juntas Generales de Gipuzkoa.

Esta adjudicación cuenta con un presupuesto de casi 16 millones de euros y un plazo de 60 meses para la redacción del proyecto, la ejecución de la obra y la puesta en servicio de las nuevas estaciones de peaje, que comenzarán a cobrar a principios de 2018, después de superar un periodo de pruebas en el último trimestre de 2017.
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Old December 17th, 2016, 05:57 PM   #6712
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The missing segment of BU-30 (Burgos Ring Road) will open to traffic next week: http://www.elcorreodeburgos.com/noti...co_142101.html
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Old December 17th, 2016, 10:39 PM   #6713
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Burgos will then become the 6th Spanish city with a full motorway ring around it (A-1+BU-30). The other ones are:

- Madrid (M-40)
- Barcelona (B-10+B-20)
- Zaragoza (Z-40)
- Bilbao (A-8+N-637)
- Valladolid (A-62+VA-30)

Although Toledo is also completely surrounded by motorways (A-40+A-42+CM-40), it's not possible to drive the entire ring due to the lack of a complete interchange in the A-40 / A-42 junction.

Other cities where the construction of a full motorway ring is planned are Albacete (the works of the southern bypass have already been awarded), Seville (once the whole SE-40 is completed) and Murcia (once the Autovía del Reguerón is built and RM-1 extended to A-7).

Besides, there have some proposals to build complete motorway rings around Granada, Lleida or Huesca, among other cities, but I really doubt these projects will ever be a reality.

And finally, Valencia also needs a motorway ring (IMHO), which would mainly consist on a tunnel connecting V-15 with V-21 along the coast, and then an upgrade of the northern bypass to motorway standards between V-21 and CV-30, but I don't think it will ever be built as it would be too costly (especially the tunnel just next to the sea). However, there are some proposals to build a tunnel between the harbor and V-21, so trucks going towards/from Barcelona wouldn't need to take the current detour via V-30 and A-7.
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Old December 18th, 2016, 06:04 AM   #6714
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Some news about A-23. Today Fomento approved the project of the stretch Sabiñánigo (East) - Sabiñánigo (West). That will connect two existing stretches of this motorway.

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This new road will run right by the "spanish Chernobyl", a chemical waste dump the the government hasn't really bothered to clean up properly.

http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana...nobil_1138180/

Although I think there are even worse places in Spain when it comes to chemical and radioactive pollution, in the chemical plant in Flix there is even radioactive waste in the ground, so that place would be more appropriate to call the spanish Chernobyl.

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/notici...a-flix-5214235

Then there is of cause the radioactive waste dump in Huelva that has never been cleaned up.
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Old December 18th, 2016, 12:26 PM   #6715
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C-28 Port de la Bonaigua

Port de la Bonaigua is a 2,072 meter high mountain pass in the Pyrenees, just south of the border with France. The pass is located on an east-west segment of road. I believe it's the highest pass in the Spanish Pyrenees.

1. At Esterri d'Àneu, C-13 from Lleida becomes C-28 which continues to Vielha.

C-28 Bonaigua-1 by European Roads, on Flickr

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C-28 Bonaigua-3 by European Roads, on Flickr

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C-28 Bonaigua-4 by European Roads, on Flickr

4. Portions of C-28 are quite narrow.

C-28 Bonaigua-5 by European Roads, on Flickr

5. I wonder what the mileage is based on. Sort is too close, La Pobla de Segur is too far away, as is La Seu d'Urgell.

C-28 Bonaigua-6 by European Roads, on Flickr

6. The road widens up.

C-28 Bonaigua-7 by European Roads, on Flickr

7. There is a series of hairpin turns just before the summit. It's fun to drive with light traffic.

C-28 Bonaigua-8 by European Roads, on Flickr

8. The summit of C-28.

C-28 Bonaigua-9 by European Roads, on Flickr

9. View towards Vielha.

C-28 Bonaigua-10 by European Roads, on Flickr

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C-28 Bonaigua-11 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old December 18th, 2016, 12:38 PM   #6716
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Mileage of C-28 starts at the French border crossing of Eth Portilhon (on N-141).

Fortunately, now there's only a narrow portion left on C-28 (the one in your picture). Before 2008, most of the road between Esterri d'Àneu and the beginning of the hairpin turns used to be like that (and the road went through both Esterri and València d'Àneu).
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Old December 18th, 2016, 02:22 PM   #6717
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BU-30

The last section of BU-30 will be opened on December 22.

http://burgosconecta.es/2016/12/16/e...roxima-semana/
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Port de la Bonaigua is a 2,072 meter high mountain pass in the Pyrenees, just south of the border with France. The pass is located on an east-west segment of road. I believe it's the highest pass in the Spanish Pyrenees.

I guess it is, at least providing main paved roads and so on.

Surfing on internet, the highest Spanish mountain pass in Europe is Calar Alto (this is, paved in both directions)

https://www.google.es/maps/place/Obs...6!4d-2.5467574

2.180 m osl



and highest in Spain is on TF-21 with 2.300ish mosl

https://www.google.es/maps/search/pu.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old December 19th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #6719
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5. I wonder what the mileage is based on. Sort is too close, La Pobla de Segur is too far away, as is La Seu d'Urgell.
Kmposts on C-2x roads always increase West to East. I would have said C-28 has its origin in Vielha... but that is too close. arctic_carlos has already pointed out it would have its km 0 at the French border at Portillon pass, which is currently N-141.

As we already know, there are C-xx numbers 'hidden' in the national roads. I believe they are the following:
A-2 and N-II: C-25 Aragon border-Cervera, C-53 Tarrega-L'Hospitalet de Llobregat, C-31 Montgat-Malgrat de Mar, C-18 Malgrat de Mar-French border.
AP-2: C-24 (Not sure)
AP-7: C-34
B-10: Not sure. C-31 across Barcelona is implied to run along Gran Via de les Corts Catalanes.
B-20: C-32
B-23: C-54 (There are plans to renumber B-224, old N-II, to C-54 which would be on the wrong side of C-53, so I guess B-23 would be part of it)
B-40 (Partly U/C): C-36
N-141: C-28
N-145: C-14
N-152 (Yes, it still exists! A short stub in Puigcerdà): C-17 (not sure). N-154 would be C-17B.
N-230 and A-14: C-11
N-240, A-22 and A-27: C-49 (Really, anything between C-46 and C-50)
N-260: C-31 Portbou-Figueres, C-26 Figueres-Ripoll (as evidenced by the plans to renumber what is left of C-260 to C-26), C-17 Ripoll-Puigcerdà (not sure), C-27 Puigcerdà-Sort (it may extend to Ripoll), C-13 Sort-la Pobla de Segur, C-56 or C-57 la Pobla de Segur-Pont de Suert (It may be also part of the hypothetical C-27)
N-340 and A-7: C-31 Valencian border-Sant Vicenç de Calders, C-33 Sant Vicenç de Calders-Barcelona (This would explain the high kmposts on the already existing section of C-33)
N-420: C-23
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B-224 is not old N-II.
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